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redk9258 01-06-2023 12:28 AM

Bought another JVC HR-D470U..
 
Bought another JVC HR-D470U side loader. Bought it as dead / won't power on. Got into it and found a shorted cap and open resistor in the power supply. Replaced those and it's alive! I didn't think it would actually play without at least cleaning or replacing the belts and maybe lubing the mechanism. It actually plays pretty well. It doesn't struggle at all loading / unloading or changing modes. The VFD has some problems. Some segments are not lit up. I will have to look at that later on.

kf4rca 01-07-2023 03:39 PM

How about some pictures. Pictures really make the thread interesting. Besides, many of us have probably never seen a side loader.

probnot 01-07-2023 05:42 PM

I have the Zenith version of this (or one of the Zenith versions) the VR-2300 and it had VFD issues as well. It was dim, and the VU meters only displayed when the clock was flashing 12:00, between the flashes, on dim mode.

One mine there's a regulator board that provides -30v to the VFD, and two capacitors were bad - a 22uf and 47uf. I'm assuming things in the D470 will be slightly different, but probably a similar issue.

kf4rca 01-08-2023 07:09 AM

At one time MCM had kits to fix VCR VFD's in stock for $7 or so. Might can find them on Ebay.

liammc00 01-08-2023 09:18 AM

Those old side loading VCRs are pretty neat. Got the lowest end Zenith version which is 4 head mono but on my Sony Trinitron from 85 it's fine as it's only mono seat. If I was you I would do probnot said and check for bad caps on the board for the VFD before you buy a kit as you caps are way cheaper especially if it's one or two that are bad.

redk9258 01-08-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kf4rca (Post 3247680)
How about some pictures. Pictures really make the thread interesting. Besides, many of us have probably never seen a side loader.

This is from the auction site..

redk9258 01-08-2023 12:20 PM

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This is the one I bought new in 1987 after I repaired a tracking problem..

dishdude 01-08-2023 01:22 PM

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen the JVC version of these side loaders. Huge VFD, tons of buttons and switches...love it!

redk9258 01-08-2023 07:33 PM

I've got 4 of them now. 2 mostly working, 2 not working.

probnot 01-08-2023 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dishdude (Post 3247711)
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen the JVC version of these side loaders. Huge VFD, tons of buttons and switches...love it!

The JVC is the much better looking version than Zenith's 3 offerings. I would love to have one.

redk9258 01-08-2023 10:47 PM

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I looked at the faulty display hoping to find a high ESR cap or something obvious. I checked about 4 caps for ESR and they were OK. There is another PCB that 2 ribbon cables attach to. It also has 7 plugs going to it. It's a small PCB that also has the memory backup cap. Only the memory cap checked bad.
I had another same model VCR that has a very nice display but has no picture.
I swapped the front display PCB and it was nice and bright but still missing the same segments as the original display. I went ahead and swapped the small PCB and guess what. It all works now! Still need a memory backup cap but the whole thing works!
I hate troubleshooting like this but I was stuck. Now I need to go over the original PCB with a fine tooth comb. Ill bet it will be obvious when I find the problem.

liammc00 01-08-2023 10:59 PM

Since you can't record of air anymore I would not replace the super cap as. I removed the super cap from my Zenith as they can leak and since I don't care if I have to reset the clock I left it out as doesn't hurt anything to leave it out. Also probnot made a video on his Zenith and he removed two super caps from his and left both of them out and one of them caps had started to leak.

redk9258 01-08-2023 11:07 PM

I agree about the tuner part but I do like the clock to maintain time. Maybe using some extensions and remote mounting it would be a good idea. I think they usually last about 10 years for me.

redk9258 01-08-2023 11:42 PM

The plot thickens...

I was looking at the failed circuit board. I noticed a diode (I think) that has been encased in a plastic insulator and soldered to the bottom side of the PCB. It runs from pin 5 of connector CN308 to pin 4 of connector CN302. It appears to have been hand soldered on. The schematic shows these 2 points connected. The original PCB trace has been cut. This looks like a factory modification. There is no continuity on diode test on my meter between the two points.
I looked at the board that is working and there is no diode and it has continuity between those 2 points.

I wish I had access to all service literature. I have the service manual, but I wonder of there are any service bulletins.

Electronic M 01-09-2023 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by liammc00 (Post 3247737)
Since you can't record of air anymore I would not replace the super cap as. I removed the super cap from my Zenith as they can leak and since I don't care if I have to reset the clock I left it out as doesn't hurt anything to leave it out. Also probnot made a video on his Zenith and he removed two super caps from his and left both of them out and one of them caps had started to leak.

It may not be common to record off air anymore but it's completely doable. I think I have even done so within the last year when the memory on my HD recorder was full. Planning to dub a Betamax LV-1900 commercial off the internet to Betamax tape to play on my LV-1900 soon...I can do it, I have the technology!


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