Best LaserDisc player?
With LaserDisc, player quality directly correlates with the picture quality seen on screen, as opposed to DVD where a $15 Wal-Mart special and a "high end" DVD player will look more or less identical.
Does anyone know of a US made player that has higher luma and chroma SNR than a CLD-97? I don't care about on board comb-filters. I have a stand alone unit that's much better than anything that ever made it into an LD player, and most of the time I feed a vintage roundie via a Blonder-Tongue. Seperate luma and chroma are of no use there... The reason I ask is because I have a bunch of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies material that never made it to DVD or Blu-Ray that I still enjoy. Thanks. |
I've had several Pioneers,a Sony and one other brand that may have been JVC.
Of these the Pioneers consistently had the best pictures, I even had one of their first models, the VP-1000, and it had a fantastic picture, the Sony was pretty close in PQ to the Pioneers and the third brand was noticeably inferior, whether defective or just a bad design I can't say. Probably hard to go wrong with Pioneer, they are also the easiest to find. |
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I've owned a Pioneer CLD-M90 LaserDisc/CD combo player for about ten years. Found it at a thrift store and used it at my mom's house for both audio CDs and LaserDiscs and it's worked flawlessly all that time. Not bad for $20. Below is a pic I found online.
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I recommend getting a double side player. It is much nicer only needing to put in the 2 disc of a movie VS handling 2 discs 4 times in flipping the discs over.
I've got a nice double side pioneer in my main rack at home I'll post the model # when I get back. |
I should clarify a bit: I have a CLD-97 at home. This was Pioneer's pre-3D comb filter TOTL dual-side model. I'm asking if anyone knows of a player with lower absolute SNR.
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"Pioneer", but "Panasonic" LX-101 also haves an good image + on discs without chapters you can jump to a specified minute even if you don't have the remote.
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The best of all are the two HD Laser Disc players from Japan, the HLD-X9 and HLD-X0, if you want to spend $2000-4000 or more on a player. |
The CLD-97 is actually superior for my purposes to the CL-99. Take a look at SNR measurements, for both luma and chroma here: http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/la...eer_cld-97.htm
Couple the CLD-97 with a superior comb filter and you have a combination that will beat the CLD-99 every single time. This is what I'm doing when backing up some of my rarer LDs to DVD. Also note that at it's best, the CLD-97 is coming within 10 dB or so of the theoretical maximum luma/chroma SNR for both composite and S-video out from a DVD player. On a TV screen, they would look essentially identical if mastered from the same source. If you're watching the straight analog out on a roundie, like I am some of the time, noise from the BT modulator, tuner, IF strip, and chroma and video curcuits is going to have a far greater effect than the LD disc or player. |
Also note the impressive performance of the CLD-97 in these tests: even the X9 performs worse in the chroma!
http://notonbluray.com/blog/comb-tb-tests/ |
You have won the battle with the CLD-97. My DVL-90 is not worthy. But boy do I love it even if it is the red-headed stepchild.
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The only thing that concerns be about the DVL-90, CLD-99, 704 family, etc, is the soft frequency response. Even then though, you're unlikely to notice it on any roundie... I like the LD format due to the lack of Macrovision and the ability to jump/skip around at will. Sure I could rip all my DVDs to a computer and stream everything over the network, but sometimes its nice to just throw and LD on and forget it. |
I've been running a CLD-59 for the past 4 years, it's been a good machine so far.
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Also note that a CAV version of a film is always preferable to the CLV version, even if your player has a framestore. The CAV discs have much lower chroma noise and slightly better luma response. |
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