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decojoe67 05-20-2017 02:32 PM

The very first Zenith "Transoceanic" radio
 
I did a trade with a friend for this rather rare 1942 Zenith "Clipper" Transoceanic 7G605 portable radio. This version with the sailboat stitched grill cloth was the first short run of this first Transoceanic radio. This represents CEO McDonalds original intent to have this for use on his sailboat. It was soon changed to the bomber-plane design due to the onset of WWII, which is the more common model. It took a lot of trail and error for the Zenith engineers to work the bugs out of this set, have it fit in such a small case, and have it work properly under very humid conditions. Besides getting a recap to fine working condition, this set appears to have never been cleaned and detailed. It has such a nice patina I really don't even want to touch it! I definitely wont polish-up the gold metal parts. I'm glad to have this piece of radio history in my collection.
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consoleguy67 05-20-2017 02:47 PM

Beautiful set!

decojoe67 05-20-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by consoleguy67 (Post 3184192)
Beautiful set!

Thank you. It evokes the WWII era for me and how so many people snatched-up this set to stay informed of the latest events wherever they went. The Transoceanic would become one of the most longest-lived type of radio of all time. It went from 1942 to 1981!

Celt 05-20-2017 05:02 PM

She's a beauty!

decojoe67 05-20-2017 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Celt (Post 3184197)
She's a beauty!

Thanks. Amazing how a portable set like this survived 75 years without any serious damage! I'll get around to giving it a gentle cleaning and sprucing-up some time. I am really liking it as-is right now!

Sandy G 05-20-2017 07:09 PM

There's just "Something" about a spiffy Tooob T/O...

KentTeffeteller 05-20-2017 08:13 PM

And this is not just the first Zenith T/O. you had to rub it in and score the early version with the Sailboat grill design, (later in the run changed to a bomber). It's also in beautiful condition to boot.

decojoe67 05-20-2017 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KentTeffeteller (Post 3184208)
And this is not just the first Zenith T/O. you had to rub it in and score the early version with the Sailboat grill design, (later in the run changed to a bomber). It's also in beautiful condition to boot.

Honestly, I'm only really learning about this set now that I have it! I didn't know just how scarce the sailboat grill-cloth version is, and how good the condition is in relation to what turns up before I bought it. I'm also glad that the grill cloth is not a possible swap-out. It has a nice aged patina. I did a trade/cash deal on it, and I realize now that my friend was quite fair with me. Although in general it has a utilitarian appearance, it has nice details that make it very appealing. A much more primitive look than the post-war versions.

Titan1a 05-20-2017 11:01 PM

They don't make them like this anymore. If they malfunction or break you throw away and buy new. Not my tube sets: not EVER!

Electronic M 05-20-2017 11:19 PM

Wow that is an impressive score!

That and a fairly short run post war variant are the only two tube TOs I need to have the complete tube line.

IIRC last year a dealer at Radiofest had one that they wanted ~$800 for.

decojoe67 05-21-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3184216)
Wow that is an impressive score!

That and a fairly short run post war variant are the only two tube TOs I need to have the complete tube line.

IIRC last year a dealer at Radiofest had one that they wanted ~$800 for.

I was lucky my friend got another and allowed this one go. This was the first chance I ever had to acquire one.
Wow. With the trade and cash, this one probably cost me a little over $400.

DavGoodlin 05-23-2017 10:00 AM

Its great to see the first one after working on a few others. Thanks for sharing.

decojoe67 05-23-2017 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DavGoodlin (Post 3184337)
Its great to see the first one after working on a few others. Thanks for sharing.

You're welcome. I have a H500 myself and enjoy seeing how much more primitive the pre-war model looked, which I find more appealing. It seems after the war that Zenith wanted the T/O to look more upscale and modern.

Sandy G 05-24-2017 08:13 PM

I've found that a lot of the better Tooob stuff is a lot more robust & serviceable than its given credit for.

Tubejunke 05-26-2017 03:28 PM

Not to be contrary, but I see more sailboats on Praybay than bombers. Either way, it's a great score and I'm glad to see some general tube Transoceanic interest here at VK. I don't have either of the WW2 versions, but I have examples of most of the rest of the tube line. My earliest is an 8G005YT which was the last with Loctal tubes. I notice here and there the same model # with Z1 on the end. Not sure what that means, but Zenith did a lot of minor changes throughout the run, so no telling.

I don't have the next model, the G500, which is where 7 pin miniature tubes come into play including the rare 1L6 which by the way some smart individual is making a solid state sub for. As much as I hate solid state junk, this is a great idea and much needed as the original tubes are all but depleted which is (of course) driving prices way up. I'm not looking for a G500 to babysit as it is nearly identical to it's predecessor. Then I have a decent H500 which in my opinion is the ugliest one of the lot, but I do like the new clamps they added for spare tubes. I have a few B600s and all I can say on those is I haven't found one yet that doesn't work at least on the Broadcast band.

The king of the lot is an A600L. L stands for leather as they have the brown leather case. One mystery I've found is that I have seen 2 distinct shades of brown. One is almost reddish orange. Either way it goes, they are hot with collectors as most people didn't bother paying an extra 20 bucks or so to get brown. The smart way to sell one is to part it out as all of the trim and knobs are brown and even harder to find than a complete unit. So if you need a knob or a handle and don't want to pay a couple or three hundred for a complete unit to rob of its knob, then you have to luck out and find someone parting. I see them doing it all the time with the normal black sets on Praybay.

I'm thinking of letting mine go as I just enjoy radios and have 2 other examples of the 600 line. Might pay for some caps, dial string, and a solid state converter tube replacement.

decojoe67 05-26-2017 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tubejunke (Post 3184503)
Not to be contrary, but I see more sailboats on Praybay than bombers. Either way, it's a great score and I'm glad to see some general tube Transoceanic interest here at VK. I don't have either of the WW2 versions, but I have examples of most of the rest of the tube line. My earliest is an 8G005YT which was the last with Loctal tubes. I notice here and there the same model # with Z1 on the end. Not sure what that means, but Zenith did a lot of minor changes throughout the run, so no telling.

I don't have the next model, the G500, which is where 7 pin miniature tubes come into play including the rare 1L6 which by the way some smart individual is making a solid state sub for. As much as I hate solid state junk, this is a great idea and much needed as the original tubes are all but depleted which is (of course) driving prices way up. I'm not looking for a G500 to babysit as it is nearly identical to it's predecessor. Then I have a decent H500 which in my opinion is the ugliest one of the lot, but I do like the new clamps they added for spare tubes. I have a few B600s and all I can say on those is I haven't found one yet that doesn't work at least on the Broadcast band.

The king of the lot is an A600L. L stands for leather as they have the brown leather case. One mystery I've found is that I have seen 2 distinct shades of brown. One is almost reddish orange. Either way it goes, they are hot with collectors as most people didn't bother paying an extra 20 bucks or so to get brown. The smart way to sell one is to part it out as all of the trim and knobs are brown and even harder to find than a complete unit. So if you need a knob or a handle and don't want to pay a couple or three hundred for a complete unit to rob of its knob, then you have to luck out and find someone parting. I see them doing it all the time with the normal black sets on Praybay.

I'm thinking of letting mine go as I just enjoy radios and have 2 other examples of the 600 line. Might pay for some caps, dial string, and a solid state converter tube replacement.

Thanks for your comments and interesting info. If you go by actual production numbers the "sailboat" version is by far the rarer of the two '42 models. Remember too that it's common knowledge that "bombers" have been switched over to "sailboats" with collectors becoming aware of it's rarity. Anyway, with eBay finding rare sets like the Zenith "Walton", Sparton "Bluebird" or multi-tube Scott console radios is as easy as shopping at Walmart, but it doesn't make them any less rare.
I personally like the H500 over the 600 models because in my opinion the airplane style dial gives it a little more vintage look than the big slide-rule style. I have a very nice H500 and it plays flawlessly. I particularly like the brown leather military issue 500 with it's copper-like metal multi color dial, but it's pricey!
I wanted to add too that I have purchased a "batpack" (http://www.batpack.com/) for my '42 7G605. The one thing to remember is that you need to use the extra supplied single D-battery pack for the 7G605. On my set it just looked like two cut wires off the battery plug. I guess they had clips on them originally, but it is necessary to have these going to extra D battery. It's quite an expensive set-up with the cost of the pack and batteries, but the set plays like a champ with no AC line interference!

Electronic M 05-28-2017 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by decojoe67 (Post 3184513)
I wanted to add too that I have purchased a "batpack" (http://www.batpack.com/) for my '42 7G605. The one thing to remember is that you need the secondary battery for the loctal tube voltage at 10.5 volts. On my set it just looked like two cut wires off the battery plug. I guess they had clips on them originally. It's quite an expensive set-up with the cost of the pack and batteries, but the set plays like a champ with no AC line interference!

I've seen ones that use a DC-DC converter and something like 6 D cells....I actually started to make my own. I've got a gutted battery shell, and a working DC-DC converter, but the converter makes RF noise. I was going to shield the whole thing and filter out the noise, but mid project I had to move so the project has been shelved for a while (one of these days I plan to complete it). I got the circuit for the project out of a 90's issue of ARC....I had to source new parts for some that were NLA....Given what I've learned since then, I could probably improve on the circuit a good bit.

decojoe67 05-28-2017 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3184584)
I've seen ones that use a DC-DC converter and something like 6 D cells....I actually started to make my own. I've got a gutted battery shell, and a working DC-DC converter, but the converter makes RF noise. I was going to shield the whole thing and filter out the noise, but mid project I had to move so the project has been shelved for a while (one of these days I plan to complete it). I got the circuit for the project out of a 90's issue of ARC....I had to source new parts for some that were NLA....Given what I've learned since then, I could probably improve on the circuit a good bit.

Not being skilled in electronics a "plug-in-and-play" unit was the choice for me. This "batpack" unit uses 60 AA's and 6 D's. If you are powering a '42 7G as I am, you must also use the extra D battery with the supplied holder.

Jeffhs 05-31-2017 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Titan1a (Post 3184214)
They don't make them like this anymore. If they malfunction or break you throw away and buy new. Not my tube sets: not EVER!

Zenith did make their radios to last (at least until the 1980s-'90s, when the D7000Y series, the last "good" TO in my opinion, was made in Taiwan with a PC board), and not just the tube-powered TOs. I have three solid-state TOs here, all eBay finds. One works on all bands (AM and SW), but the dial cord broke; the second is the AM/FM/SW version, which currently works only on FM (I never did figure out why) and was modified by its previous owner to use a rechargeable battery pack; and the third is the same as the second, except my third TO works on all bands except standard broadcast, but the alignment on all bands is so far off it isn't funny. The set's former owner must have been fiddling with the alignment adjustments without benefit of a signal generator and alignment instructions. :nono: (I was recently informed by a VK or ARF member that the failure of the BC band in my TO is due to a shorted transistor.) The set uses a standard Zenith 12-volt wall wart with the tiny plug at the end of the output cable, and has the matching jack on the left side of the cabinet, looking at the radio from the front.

You are so right--they don't make them like that anymore (metal chassis, socketed transistors in the SS TOs, etc.), and I for one, being a Zenith radio collector, was sorry to see them go; all the more reason for those of us with well-built tube and SS T/Os to keep our sets in working order. These radios represented a level of build and sound quality we will never, ever see again, especially from Zenith, which no longer exists.

Titan1a 06-01-2017 06:56 AM

Have TO; will travel.

decojoe67 06-01-2017 08:19 AM

I give credit to people who take these outside and enjoy them as intended. My 7G is one the shelf all cleaned and detailed. Still I enjoy how it sounds on batteries. It really evokes the WWII era.

broadcaster 08-22-2017 06:59 PM

You scored a real beauty!

Sandy G 08-22-2017 07:54 PM

These things were fairly expensive, & they often got treated better than stuff today. My Dad had one of the "Soiled-state" versions- It was kept high off the ground where yr Unca Sandy couldn't get to it. Don't remember what happened to it, but I was NEVER allowed to fool w/it..I'm thinkin' the T/O got traded for a contemporary Grundig..


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