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Found my SNES
Now, I'm a hardcore SEGA fan.. It's gotta be SEGA this and SEGA that. But secretly, I was also a Nintendo fan, but only for some of there consoles. I didn't care for the NES except for Mario and Zelda. But I did like the SNES because it had pretty good graphics chips. I loved the Genesis more though because it had a nice Yamaha FM synthesizer and TI PSG chips (which allowed a more realistic arcade port of games, making them sound like the arcade versions of the time), and a very powerful 68000 CPU. SNES was just a 16-bit 6502 really. Not impressive.
But anyway, here it is! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nka6V2qV_U8 It features my old Samsung TV, and also has up close gameplay, right to the CRT and had my camera filming at 30fps with a 1/30th shutter, so it captures without flicker.. AND it was white balanced to it, so you can see the beautiful D65 calibration it has now too.. |
Very cool, the snes was quite a machine when it came out. Well.. it was pretty good at least, though it had a massive amount of great games for it. Ive still my snes, nes, atari 7800 and sega hooked up.
These days id rather retro game than anything else, its like therapy or a shot of whiskey, leaves me in a good mood afterwards. |
I am definitely all for retro games.. They were games.. These days it's just more like some foolish simulation, than a game.
Just got a Super Game Boy too now for my SNES, and it's funny, being able to play my Game Boy Zelda game, on my TV.. So weird doing this. I even have a Super Famicom controller, which while mostly the same as the american version, but has those colored buttons. |
What you want is called Stella, it will run the ROM's. We had about 200 at work one time.
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In your YouTube video at about the 6:45 minute mark you note a bar in the video that runs from top to bottom in the center of the screen.
As I have been researching how-to videos involving repair of my SNES I've been all over YouTube for advice. I ran across a guy that improved (increased) the power supply filtering which either reduced, or eliminated the noise bar (assuming yours is for the same reason). I had a set that wouldn't boot a game so the noise bar wasn't my problem- I didn't watch the whole video. Nor, could I tell you how to find it. But, it might be of help to you if you wanted to go searching for it. Hope that helps you. Brian |
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I've outgrown video games.
I still do buy NES or SNES games if I find them cheap enough, but dont play. |
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I never had a SNES and have limited experience with them. Considering what has been said about the graphics, I'll have to do some research on them. |
Game collecting is the other side of my tv/vcr collecting habit. I play a little but nothing like how i used to play back around 98,2000. I collect more than i play. Just picked up a SNES at a yard sale a few days ago for $15. Heck, the original power supply is worth nearly that. I was always a Genesis/Sega CD man, but those old SNES machines put out some nice graphics and stereo sound. Super Mario World is addicting. I'll never forget my first machine and game though. Couldnt sleep at night thinking about it and next day, i couldn't wait to get my hands on it. Atari 5200 and Pac-Man:banana:
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Oh my.......... I dont wanna make ya mad but I think quality of games went downhill as the 80s went on.....
I think Atari 5200 and 7800 are garbage compared to 2600..... I dont like how they look,etc........... Colecovision came out the same time about 5200 did and I think Coleco is 100% better :) |
It has gotten worse as time progressed. 5200 was my first and immediately after, i got a 7800 and eventually a 2600. Problem with the 2600 is the simpler graphics versus more detail and variation in the later models. The 2600 couldn't come close to the arcades so thats where the colecovision, intellivision and 5200 came in. They were designed to look like arcade. Best example is pac man on the 2600. Just plain pathetic. Doesnt look or even sound like the arcade but the 5200 did a better job with pac man. The pause button was a nice feature to if you needed to stop in the middle of a game for a bit. I find that almost every system has its shining point and will never be replaced by anything else. Im actually picking up a colecovision lot for $100 in a couple weeks.
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Pac.attack, just looking at those pictures brings back great memories. I had a lot of fun playing many of those Colecovision cartridges with my friends in the early 1980s. I was always calling them, asking when new releases were coming out. In fact, I still have their phone number memorized, 800-842-1225.
The Atari 7800 came out just as the whole video game industry was collapsing (imagine THAT happening now!), and dedicated games for it were hard to find. In 1985-86 or so, I used to go right to Atari headquarters in Sunnyvale where they had a small "company store", and they sold each of the new 7800 releases for $10-15 each. I think it was right after that when they went out of business or were bought by Jack Tramiel, and the 7800 went away. |
Yep, those were the best of times. :)
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I bought the SNES first.. Then some time in the mid 1990s I found a Genesis on the side of the road being thrown away.. The power switch was off track and was a bit harder to turn it on, and needed the hookup wires.. For something free, I was not going to complain that's for sure.. I always thought games looked and sounded better on the SNES.. But there were games that were better on the Genesis.. I liked Mortal Kombat 1 and 2.. I remember on the Genesis they looked and sounded awful.. Sure the Genesis had the code for the blood and violence with the first one, but it didn't imo make it better than the SNES version..
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Just a little piece of info,
That Yamaha chip was only on the early model 1's, The ones that actually say "High Definition Graphics" after that Sega slapped a Z80(?) in there and that combined with some CPU power almost emulated the Yamaha. One of my favorite game, Hellfire and a few others from 89/90 will lag on the later consoles. Sorry I have stumbled upon my profession here. |
Isnt it sad how things ALWAYS GET WORSE?????? (99% of the time)
No reason for lag on that game with ANY VERSION of that!! |
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They always had the Zilog Z80 chip - that is the chip that the Sega Master System ran as a processor. The genesis is 100% backwards compatible with the master system IF you use a power base converter. The Yamaha chip (2620?) was used on the first 7 board revisions of the Genesis (2,3,4,5,6,6.5, & 6.8). The va7 model 1 Genesis got a Yamaha 3430 on an integrated chip that was fed thru a crappy amplifier that distorts the dog mess out of the audio. In theory, this should provide better sound, but it is ruined by the bad sound amplifier. The Va0, Va1, and va1.8 variants of the model 2 Genesis also suffered with the integrated 3430 chip. I own a Va 6.5 or 6.8 Genesis and it lacks the "high definition graphics" sticker and has superior sound to my Va7 Genesis and (2)-Va3 model 2's. |
You know I was never an SNES fan. Nintendo's censoring of games like Mortal Kombat really turned me off to them after the NES days. I went from NES to Sega, then from that to the N64 because Mario 64 blew my mind at the time.
I tried SNES emulation a few years ago to see what I missed out on. Played Super Mario World and a few other games, and overall the experience was meh. Super Mario World was too different from 3 for me to like (though now I see where Mario 64 got some of its ideas like the cap switches. I didn't care for most of the music, (though Link To The Past had some good music) IMO the SNES is only really likable if you're the person who owned one as a kid, back when you were young and impressionable. However it's too nerfed and kiddified to like it as an adult who never owned one as a kid. Whereas I can go back to the Genesis and beat the shit out of opponents, or race through levels in a blue blur, or play the Beavis and Butthead game, or Stimpy's Invention... the games have more of a cool, edgy factor. |
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You know, there is a reason I have a NES and a Genesis hooked up, and the SNES in a box.... You nailed it. |
Yeah I think I nailed it but I'd like to expand on this.
On a technical front the SNES wins over the Genesis. It had a slower CPU then the Genesis, but it had the better color palette, better controller, and better sound.* * Genesis sound depended heavily on the game. Some games had good sound but many, many Genesis games had awful, garbled, static filled sound. But the Genesis had something the SNES didn't, adult content. Now I DO NOT mean adult content like pornography. Let me explain: Think of the old Looney Tunes shorts from the 1930's to about the 60's. Those were made for an adult audience. They were originally shown in theaters and were aimed at adults. Now adults back then weren't looking for gruesome violence or pornography so those cartoons survive to this day and kids can watch (most of) them. That said they were aimed at adults and the writing reflected that. That being the case those old cartoons still hold up to this day. You see newer examples in Tiny Toons and Animaniacs. Those two shows were technically aimed at kids, but they wanted adults to watch as well. So you get references that fly over kids heads, but that adults can pick up on and laugh at. Atari 2600 games were aimed at adults. Hell, some games for the 2600 were blatantly pornographic (though the 2600's graphics being what they were, you didn't see much) The NES was more kid focused, but didn't shut out the adult audience. Not with games like Ghosts and Goblins, Contra, Captain Skyhawk, and Faxanadu. All games that kids can and did play, but they had that harder edge of an adult oriented game. By the time the SNES came around it was the 90's and the mentality of "OH GOD WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM EVERYTHING!!!!" had taken hold. Nintendo bought into this full force and their games lost that edge. This doesn't mean their games sucked or that no effort was put into them, far from it. However they shut out the older kids and adults who, like me, went over to Sega. Now the N64 won me back with its smooth, mind blowing (at the time) 3D. That and Rare made Goldeneye. Then they made Perfect Dark. Then they flat out gave Nintendo's censorship policies the middle finger and made Conker's Bad Fur Day... But by then I owned a Playstation which became the best console for adults and older kids, followed by the PS2 which was a huge success! Nintendo launched the Game Cube which, well, wasn't as successful. The purple color, weird disc format and lack of "hard" games left it trailing behind the PS2 and Xbox Slight resurrection with the Wii because of its innovative motion controls, but after a few years people got sick of that crap, and sick of breaking their TV's by accidentally throwing the Wii-mote. So today Nintendo still makes good games and consoles, but outside of little kids and adults with nostalgia filters, nobody cares. Games nowadays, enemies aren't "defeated", they're straight up killed, often in bloody ways. They're written for adults, as they should be. |
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The Genesis model 1 sound reproduction with a Yamaha 2612? Soundchip and the later versions of the model 2 that fixed the bad audio amplification provide superior sound to the VA7 model 1 and early model 2's. The sonic games had great soundtracks, as did the bomberman game, and many many others I am too lazy to list. I prefer the Genesis sound to the Super Nintendo's. If a system had combined the Genesis's processor and audio with the Super Nintendo's controllers, video capability, and arguably greater game library, you would have had the ultimate 16 bit machine. |
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http://www.stupidfingers.com/projects/sg/sg_08.jpg A point in the SNES' favor that I forgot to mention: When they designed it, they included extra cartridge data lines knowing they would use them at some point. Later on they did exactly that with the Super FX chip which made up for the slower CPU whereas Sega, well they got kinda weird with their hardware... The Sega CD was a good idea, perhaps a bit ahead of its time and the technology wasn't fully there yet, but given another year of development or a new version with better technical specs and backwards compatibility with early Sega CD titles, they could have really had something... Then they came out with the 32X... then the Saturn very shortly after that which sabotaged 32X sales. Then it turned out the Saturn was a multi CPU beast that was hard to develop games on and well, that eventually killed Sega as a console maker. |
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