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kf4rca 12-29-2016 07:21 AM

Thats probably the Heathkit part number. The coil could be smaller depending on the value of the cap thats across it. Probably have to keep those two together when substituting.
Is there no way you can repair L451?

Electronic M 12-29-2016 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kf4rca (Post 3175763)
Is there no way you can repair L451?

He'll have to try before answering that...accurately.

This is a good circumstance to learn. The old part don't work and there is nothing to loose by trying to fix it...If you are thinking you need a new one anyway, then trying to mend the original looses you nothing.

Jon A. 12-29-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kf4rca (Post 3175763)
Thats probably the Heathkit part number. The coil could be smaller depending on the value of the cap thats across it. Probably have to keep those two together when substituting.
Is there no way you can repair L451?

I have something in mind and will try it very soon. I had to look back on my lifetime training in redneck engineering for a possible solution. The wiring is still intact and the slug is still there, so it's probably functioning.

On a side note, I've been digging into the GR-370 again. I hooked it to my DVD player and got clear sound, but on an adjacent channel so perhaps someone messed with the IF stage. I did find a diddle stick in there. Also, to my surprise, it has a HV rectifier tube, a 3A3C. I can draw an arc from the fly lead, but the tube shows no signs of life. It isn't gassed out though. Might the tube be bad, or could it be something else?

Electronic M 12-29-2016 12:29 PM

Does the heater have continuity? Does the fly heater winding supply enough voltage? do you have a tube tester or another working set that uses that tube?

jr_tech 12-29-2016 12:32 PM

Possibly open filament... if you don't have a tube checker, check the filament resistance between pin 2 and pin 7, it should be around 2 ohms or less. I just measured one at 1.78 ohms.

jr

kf4rca 12-29-2016 01:45 PM

Can you see the filament glowing in the neck of the tube?

Jon A. 12-29-2016 04:35 PM

No glow, filament seems fine, no reading when checking filament voltage. My meter has been having problems, but I hooked it to a power supply and it checked fine on the same range.

jr_tech 12-29-2016 04:52 PM

Does your answer pertain to the CRT heater or the 3A3 filament?

jr

zeno 12-29-2016 06:27 PM

You usually wont see a HV rect light up. After running a while
it will get quite warm. Odds are the tube is bad. Many early
SS sets ( Moto, RCA, Sony ) used a tube & they went often.
Sony was an exception probably cause they used a 25KV tube
in a 12" set.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

Jon A. 12-29-2016 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jr_tech (Post 3175810)
Does your answer pertain to the CRT heater or the 3A3 filament?

jr

Oh, the 3A3 filament. The CRT heaters are lighting. I did notice some purple arcing in the 3A3 though.
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Originally Posted by zeno (Post 3175817)
You usually wont see a HV rect light up. After running a while
it will get quite warm. Odds are the tube is bad. Many early
SS sets ( Moto, RCA, Sony ) used a tube & they went often.
Sony was an exception probably cause they used a 25KV tube
in a 12" set.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

Actually I did notice the HV cage get warm after a little bit when I first started the set.

N2IXK 12-29-2016 06:50 PM

You may have difficulty directly measuring the 3A3 filament voltage, because it is a high frequency (15.7 kHz) and pulsed waveform.

Most AC voltmeters won't read correctly on non-sinusoidal signals. And of course, if the 3A3 plate cap is connected, the filament is floating at HV to ground.

Jon A. 12-29-2016 11:37 PM

We have liftoff!
 
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You may have difficulty directly measuring the 3A3 filament voltage, because it is a high frequency (15.7 kHz) and pulsed waveform.

Most AC voltmeters won't read correctly on non-sinusoidal signals. And of course, if the 3A3 plate cap is connected, the filament is floating at HV to ground.

Thanks for the info, I'll keep that in mind for future reference.

Problem solved. There was a VERY loose transistor on the horizontal output board. One leg wasn't being gripped at all. I re-seated the board just for good measure, stuck a piece of wire beside the loose pin, powered on and presto, the HV was back. The picture is awful and barely holds sync in either direction, but hey, she's a runner. The piece of wire can barely be seen in the photo.

Edit: Later on it lost vertical sweep. The fellow I got it from did say it has a vertical problem.

kf4rca 12-30-2016 07:06 AM

Thats about how poorly the local LPTV (ch4- Hispanic) comes in around here.

Jon A. 12-31-2016 05:02 PM

Still no vertical sweep on the 370, this one's a bugger to figure out. There was another vertical module in the cabinet which I swapped in with no difference so I re-installed the other one. Eventually I heard a pop and a hiss but didn't smell anything and the TV kept doing what it was doing.

tom.j.fla 12-31-2016 05:56 PM

Most likely a electrolytic went bang check caps for signs of venting. All the best,Tom.J


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