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Old 03-18-2021, 04:59 PM
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21EP4 isn't that much of and oddball. I have a set with one, and found a spare fairly easily. The set (Bendix!) has a NOS Sylvannia (still had the cap and warranty card). Nice picture. Oddly, I aligned it using the 'meter method', instead of a sweep alignment (it wasn't really off anyway). Best picture of any set I have, though it tends to have a bit of color subcarrier in it. I wish I could get my cable box to give a signal with no color subcarrier...
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Old 03-19-2021, 02:20 AM
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21EP4 isn't that much of and oddball. I have a set with one, and found a spare fairly easily. The set (Bendix!) has a NOS Sylvannia (still had the cap and warranty card). Nice picture. Oddly, I aligned it using the 'meter method', instead of a sweep alignment (it wasn't really off anyway). Best picture of any set I have, though it tends to have a bit of color subcarrier in it. I wish I could get my cable box to give a signal with no color subcarrier...
If your cable box has S-video output all you need to get rid of the subcarrier is an external RF modulator and a modified S-video to RCA cable. S-video is 2 coaxes. One has just monochrome video and sync the other coax carries just the color subcarrier. A S-video to RCA cable simply Ys the 2 coaxes into one...all you gotta do is cut the color Coax or remove it's pin from the S-video plug.
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The 21XP4 is an odd-ball, 21 inch CRT with a smaller viewing surface, similar to a 21WP4 used in some Admirals.
The 21EP4 is a cylindrical face plate CRT. Check to see if it's usable first.
Looks like work has been done on it before, some new caps there

https://i.imgur.com/hcwNMTu.jpg


it USED to have casters....
https://i.imgur.com/HCMc3dY.jpg

not too bad looking
https://imgur.com/V9qORzf

now the VERY BAD NEWS...

https://i.imgur.com/Q4LSddi.jpg

I have no option but to get an 21XP4 from ETF and adapt it to fit and work, i wont find a 21EP4 for it. that is for sure.

It will be tricky, but it can be done...
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If your cable box has S-video output all you need to get rid of the subcarrier is an external RF modulator and a modified S-video to RCA cable. S-video is 2 coaxes. One has just monochrome video and sync the other coax carries just the color subcarrier. A S-video to RCA cable simply Ys the 2 coaxes into one...all you gotta do is cut the color Coax or remove it's pin from the S-video plug.
What about sound? Oh wait - they make modulator that take all three in, don't they?

(I've not done the modulator thing before..)
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Old 03-20-2021, 04:46 PM
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What about sound? Oh wait - they make modulator that take all three in, don't they?

(I've not done the modulator thing before..)
Most consumer RF modulators have stereo RCA sound input, but some have mono...You can Y the sound channels together if it has mono input (though combining through a couple of 1k resistors is better). Cabling on such a setup isn't too bad.
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The sad state of the former 21ep4b https://i.imgur.com/pXE3HJm.jpg you can almost see the numbers on the socket!

working on getting a replacement.


my cat has to check it out, of course.
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It's a shame it's in that state.

I probably wouldn't have paid money for it if I saw it was necked...the CRTs are worth as much as a good restorable set so unless the set is REALLY special it doesn't make sense to dig that financial hole.
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It's a shame it's in that state.

I probably wouldn't have paid money for it if I saw it was necked...the CRTs are worth as much as a good restorable set so unless the set is REALLY special it doesn't make sense to dig that financial hole.
I would not have gotten it had i known, but that is the point , I did not,

I just don't want to quit at just hardly starting.
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I'm also thinking about the 21AWP4 as a replacement.

it is NOT a 70 degree tube but a 72, not sure if that will matter or not, but ETF has one, it IS magnetic focus, and has a screen size close to the 21ep4b, I'm really not sure when it comes to finding a sub for these things.

electronically, it looks the same, if it WON'T work due to the diff in angle I will go with the first choice of the 21xp4.
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unbelievable...
https://i.imgur.com/VqENg46.jpg

i have done nothing to this chassis yet other than a slow power up!
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And so it has begun, a quick test with the 8yp4 test CRT showed me I had good HV and horz sweep and NO vert, I thought OK, most likely due to bad caps, but I did see that some work in the area had been done before. After a bit of poking around, found OK voltage on the plate of the Ver output, but in the plate of the Osc, nothing... 0 volts.

Which was tracked down to a bad Osc transformer
one winding is 1k,, the other SHOULD be 200 ohms, wide open... already found a new one.

what I'm facing getting a replacement CRT

what was in there
https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/093/2/21EP4A.pdf

As mentioned, this is a magnetic focus 70 degree tube
one option
https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/093/2/21XP4A.pdf
another 70 degree tube but electrostatic focus and slightly smaller dimensions

the other option
https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/093/2/21AWP4.pdf
this is a magnetic focus 72 degree tube which seems to have exact electronic footprint of the original tube but has slightly larger dimensions ( can also be made to fit )
Choices choices :O
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Old 03-21-2021, 07:26 AM
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its obvious what happened now,,,

https://imgur.com/I9bx3ux

before

https://imgur.com/niai1YF

after

i bought i based what i saw on the first picture

when i got there, the seller had said that they had already started to try moving it, i also saw that the back was off.

this can only mean that THEY NECKED IT yesterday...
it was not broken up until then. careless error on the seller.

i confirmed this by placing the electron gun elements in water, the getter foamed up like crazy even this many hours later, meaning the metals it it had not oxidized yet meaning a fresh rupture.

should i scream an yell at the seller? demand money back? where will that get me?

bottom line I need a CRT now...

but they SHOULD have said something. because there is no way they could have known that they did not break it.
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Old 03-21-2021, 09:55 AM
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I'm also thinking about the 21AWP4 as a replacement.

it is NOT a 70 degree tube but a 72, not sure if that will matter or not, but ETM has one, it IS magnetic focus, and has a screen size close to the 21ep4b, I'm really not sure when it comes to finding a sub for these things.

electronically, it looks the same, if it WON'T work due to the diff in angle I will go with the first choice of the 21xp4.
I have, what I think is good, a 21FP4 which is an electrostatic focus tube. Looks the same with the cylindrical faceplate. It's a rebuilt and I don't think it has many hours of use. I have to check it first and see if it's worthwhile.
All you have to do is remove the PM focus unit.
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you can see that it already wants to live!

https://i.imgur.com/ryF4EKY.jpg

running at 90v input so as not to burn the test CRT.

vert osc transformer on the way.
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