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Old 02-25-2017, 01:34 PM
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Speaking of Japanese Rats nest wiring, but have you ever seen the inside of an old Pioneer or Kenwood-TRIO or Sony Tube powered Stereo Receiver or Amplifier or Tuner? Those things are a nightmare when it comes to having to replace capacitors or resistors or having to replace toasty wiring...
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Speaking of Japanese Rats nest wiring, but have you ever seen the inside of an old Pioneer or Kenwood-TRIO or Sony Tube powered Stereo Receiver or Amplifier or Tuner? Those things are a nightmare when it comes to having to replace capacitors or resistors or having to replace toasty wiring...
I wish I could see the inside of one of those. There are a lot more domestic ones in the US, but with the way the audiophools hunt that gear even the domestic stuff is hard to find and usually priced outside of sanity...

If you end up with tube audio gear that you can't fix please give someone a chance to buy it before E-wasting it.
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Old 02-26-2017, 04:25 PM
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There were plenty of pain in the a** TV sets imported here. I usually hated working on Sony stuff. I remember the parts were sky high (if you could find them), tech support was almost non-existant, and they had some weird engineering sometimes.

I was an authorized service center for Samsung and Goldstar in the late 80's/early 90's. You want to talk about crap, they turned out plenty of it in those days.

RCA, Phillips, and Zenith designed and built some lemon's from time to time, but until the early 90's they were as good or better than most of the imports. The downfall of the television industry in America had far more to do with consumer pricing and corporate profitability than quality.
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"Samsung" tv sets imported in Romania before 1996-1997 where pretty good. Some worked for 18 years or more!
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Old 02-27-2017, 07:18 AM
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Not to sound like anti American but those American made TVs looks like they were designed by drunk engineers as you see the rats nest of wires and idiot house numbered stamped parts.Some were not bad and some were a disaster to work on.

Thank goodness for Panasonic/Sony/Toshiba came in to clean up the rats nest of wires and easy parts numbering systems. And also more reliable then the American sets.I'll take any vintage Sony, Panasonic or Toshiba over a Zenith,Sylvania or RCA any day.
Most professional TV repair technicians would heavily disagree with you too. Most of these repair technicians chose Zenith for many years as their best set reliability wise and their easiest serviced set. And RCA also were pretty serviceman friendly. Sony sets had very expensive spare parts, difficult support from Sony, and much more difficult to repair back in the day, compared to most other set makers. davet753's perspective agrees with most every veteran repair technician I have known of. Zenith, RCA, and several other major American brands of sets had very good manufacturer support on training technicians, spare parts availability, technical support, etc.
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Old 02-27-2017, 07:44 AM
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Most professional TV repair technicians would heavily disagree with you too. Most of these repair technicians chose Zenith for many years as their best set reliability wise and their easiest serviced set. And RCA also were pretty serviceman friendly. Sony sets had very expensive spare parts, difficult support from Sony, and much more difficult to repair back in the day, compared to most other set makers. davet753's perspective agrees with most every veteran repair technician I have known of. Zenith, RCA, and several other major American brands of sets had very good manufacturer support on training technicians, spare parts availability, technical support, etc.
That reminded me of something: technical support.

I remember going to one-day tech training sessions every time RCA came out with a new chassis. They would hold a class and invite all the authorized service center tech's to come and learn about the new designs. These classes were great for understanding the latest engineering. They also mailed out technical support bulletins that were a very valuable tool. Of course, we received an envelope of microfiche literature at regular intervals (microfiche.....God, that brings back memories).

Zenith used to do tech classes through their local distributor, but not as often as "dealer shows" for the sales end of the business. Graybar (and later on Cain & Bultman) was the local Zenith distributor, and they were always ready to facilitate technical assistance through their contacts at Zenith in Chicago. They also had a warehouse stocked with replacement parts. Whether a module, CRT, or a simple part, there was no waiting.

Phillips had the best tech support program in the biz. We could call the service division in Greenville, TN and a factory technician would answer the phone and take the time to help you troubleshoot a problem. I always found them to be the friendliest, most knowledgeable guys you could ever ask for. Parts orders were received the day after ordering, and their prices were reasonable.

My experience of import brands never came close to the level of support domestic manufacturers offered.
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I would say it was a mixed bag. American sets (at least RCA and Zenith) tended to hold up better over the decades (well beyond their deign life), and were designed with serviceability in mind. The lesser American brands weren't so great. Japanese hybrid sets were a pain to work on because they tried to cram everything into a small cabinet. Tubes in a compact cabinet were not a good combination.

Japanese companies tended to push technology forward at a faster pace (such as Trinitron, the move toward solid state, pocket size TVs, and home video recording). The American companies spent more time perfecting a particular technology before moving on. The Japanese mostly avoided the disastrously unreliable modular designs of the 70's (flaky module connectors and transistor sockets caused more problems than the actual components). I would call it a disaster when you trade reliability for serviceability. Rather than design in serviceability, the Japanese tried to design them not to need any service. That often meant that they were somewhat disposable.
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:42 PM
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Most professional TV repair technicians would heavily disagree with you too. Most of these repair technicians chose Zenith for many years as their best set reliability wise and their easiest serviced set. And RCA also were pretty serviceman friendly. Sony sets had very expensive spare parts, difficult support from Sony, and much more difficult to repair back in the day, compared to most other set makers. davet753's perspective agrees with most every veteran repair technician I have known of. Zenith, RCA, and several other major American brands of sets had very good manufacturer support on training technicians, spare parts availability, technical support, etc.
I agree with you.My friend who is going to be 98 years young this month which I used his shop's name for my user name serviced Zenith sets for over 40 plus years and said they were the best sets made.He also serviced Sylvania,RCA to name a couple of US made TV sets he serviced in his shop.He was not a fan of the Japanese sets.He will kill me over what I said earlier about the US sets..LOL......................

My late friend fixed Sony ,Panasonic and other Japanese sets across town in his shop.

There was another shop in town that fixed Magnavox but I did not know him good.The same goes for a Motorola/Quasar shop in town too that I did not know him good..

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Old 04-15-2017, 05:43 AM
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The very-last "Assembled in USA" CRT TV was the 2005 Toshiba 34HF85 34" HDTV, assembled by Orion America in Princeton, IN.

http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net...rticleID=26684

Orion America was a subsidiary (now Sansui Sales) of Orion Electric Co., Japan. Sansui Sales USA is now a private company and no longer owned by Orion. They used to build a bunch of Emerson TV and VCRs back in early-90s.

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