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Old 04-14-2015, 03:29 PM
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Well, it would probably be smartest to just replace it..... Ours was $117. each to
replace, so I decided to repair.... Junk Yard items I'm sure are less.... I know I did
get mine apart, it was for a '79 Mercury Colony Park Wagon, I opened it at the
bottom where the connections are, like yours.... It slid out the electrical end
of the motor, brushes, left in the magnets, along with the center came the
worm gear that moves the lever.... I think the motor turned maybe 20 revolutions
max to move the lever up and down.... Good force, it would make a great
nut cracker..... For the luxury minded squirrel, A Must have ! !

I had the time to do it, and it worked well after, but it may not be practical, you may
just be able to get a newer one that works....

There are door lock actuators on ebay from $30. on up, all depends on your
appetite for how you wanna fix it.... For our car, Dad was not interested in fixing
our locks for $100. So I took it off, rebuilt it and eventually put it back.... You can
open, close, and lock unlock the door without these things, so take it out and work
on it till you fix it....

You know what it is..... It's just neat to take it apart learn how it works and fix it
yerself.... It's just fun....

Oops- yah you gotta hold it good, put the body in a vise, de-crimp the end,
and you gotta work it out at the plug end..... I may have pushed the
screw arm into the unit I don't remember that well..... It did look like
yours, I remember the little metal ears that were held with rubber thing
so it was not quite that loud when it went off....

Look at this thing....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Door-L...33b571&vxp=mtr


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There are door lock actuators on ebay from $30. on up, all depends on your
appetite for how you wanna fix it.... You can open, close, and lock unlock the door without these things, so take it out and work
on it till you fix it....

You know what it is..... It's just neat to take it apart learn how it works and fix it yerself.... It's just fun....

Oops- yah you gotta hold it good, put the body in a vise, de-crimp the end,
and you gotta work it out at the plug end..... I may have pushed the
screw arm into the unit I don't remember that well..... It did look like
yours, I remember the little metal ears that were held with rubber thing
so it was not quite that loud when it went off....

Look at this thing....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Door-L...33b571&vxp=mtr


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Squirrel boy, I owe you a beer or a bag of cashews!...I'm not sure which...

That is less than half the price of an original (on the 'bay), and appears to be the same exact thing as the only new replacement listed as compatible (see link below) yet only about 1/10 the price. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-79-Linc...b49c14&vxp=mtr

I can afford and justify 14$ on a new motor.

I did get the old one open....And it looks like the titanic on the inside. The rotor has rusted and expanded/melded with the stator magnet to the point that freeing the rotor would involve destroying the motor around it (which my attempts to free it ended up doing ).

I know it will work without the motor (otherwise how have I been getting in and out all this time) so for the time being the door is back together minus the motor.
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Cashews are poison to us squirrels as they are actually beans.....
I'll take an Almond !

Good to hear you got it open..... Sorry it's trash.....
They are pretty neat inside.....

What I meant, was in some cases the lock actuator makes up a link in the rods
and levers to work the lock manually.... But in the older cars it can be
removed with no troubles..... I see you know that

I worked on our car's door locks more than 20 years ago, less time along the
rust time line..... I guess yours had lots of time to rust up really good.....

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I got the new lock motor in. Surprisingly the middle length shaft in the package best matched the original. One annoyance is that the retainer pin for whatever shaft is selected did not want to go into the hole....I tried pushing/compressing it in with pliers and have a blood blister to show for that. I also tried hammering it with no luck asside from further damaging the retainer pin. My solution was to remove the pin slide a short thinner nail through the collar and shaft (where the pin was supposed to go), cut the sharp end off and bend the nail so that it can not fall out (a poor man's cotter pin if you will).


The cracked section on the arm rest I glued last time came apart so I'm re-gluing it, and adding reinforcement. If it fails again I may try to get another....There is a yard out in Rockford (not close, but not too far) that supposedly has a 78 Mark. I plan on going there once I've graduated (and have time to do so), and grabbing some odds and ends I need and anything else that may be of use within reason. If it has the driver side door rest in better shape I may grab it, and if it is the wrong color just paint it black.
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Was at the Carlisle Spring car car show yesterday. It was this week/weekend. did you go like I instructed? noooooooo

why not?

I didnt cover the entire grounds and in my 8 hours there saw *2* of your cars. A 1979 with the four hunnert, and a 77 with the 460. Both in show quality shape. Tons and tons of parts to boot.

You shoulda been there
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Was at the Carlisle Spring car car show yesterday. It was this week/weekend. did you go like I instructed? noooooooo

why not?

I didnt cover the entire grounds and in my 8 hours there saw *2* of your cars. A 1979 with the four hunnert, and a 77 with the 460. Both in show quality shape. Tons and tons of parts to boot.

You shoulda been there
I could not have made it if I wanted to (and I would have liked to go there). I'm in what is going to be (one way or another) the last academic quarter of my college education, and I need all the study time I can get to graduate. I'm out of funds and credit so it is pretty much graduate now or drop out....My course work load is pretty much the usual fare of my school: work us nearly to the point where students actually start act on the desire to beat up the faculty for all the crap they pile on/pull on us.

I can't even make the ETF meet next week in Ohio (which is a lot closer to me), and it about KILLS me to miss that one (and this is the second year in a row of missing that)...

I'm about 4 weeks out from my diploma. Once I have it (and am free from the slave labor studying) I plan to widen the geographic region of radio meets I attend as much as I can (beyond anything it has ever been), and start attending car shows.

There is a good size local one that was held weekly at the Wisegerbers Gaust house (spelling may be wrong) last summer that I'm going to show up at if continued this year. There is one at the Kiltie a historic drive in near by that I want to go to too.....Though my Mark has enough rust weep from the vinyl half roof and minor imperfections that it is not quite show quality....I'm gradually working towards it though.
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I could not have made it if I wanted to (and I would have liked to go there). I'm in what is going to be (one way or another) the last academic quarter of my college education, and I need all the study time I can get to graduate. I'm out of funds and credit so it is pretty much graduate now or drop out....My course work load is pretty much the usual fare of my school: work us nearly to the point where students actually start act on the desire to beat up the faculty for all the crap they pile on/pull on us.

I can't even make the ETF meet next week in Ohio (which is a lot closer to me), and it about KILLS me to miss that one (and this is the second year in a row of missing that)...

I'm about 4 weeks out from my diploma. Once I have it (and am free from the slave labor studying) I plan to widen the geographic region of radio meets I attend as much as I can (beyond anything it has ever been), and start attending car shows.

There is a good size local one that was held weekly at the Wisegerbers Gaust house (spelling may be wrong) last summer that I'm going to show up at if continued this year. There is one at the Kiltie a historic drive in near by that I want to go to too.....Though my Mark has enough rust weep from the vinyl half roof and minor imperfections that it is not quite show quality....I'm gradually working towards it though.
Near as I can remember it, the last term is supposed to be a grease job, except for the final project and any thesis...(my last project was a Prolog-based translator to turn the engineering dept fortran programs into pascal as well as the emacs user manual)

anyways, once you have the diploma, a NEW work starts - or should. One where you are on station by 8am in some sort of monkey suit and tie and have to keep quiet a lot. Sometimes you get an 'office space' type job, others are like 'head office' and in this day and age like 'secret of my success'.

But its important to take time to smell the roses. The multitude of car shows near me are my roses (it used to be also weekly ATV trips but Im 50 - its often a painful task to keep up with my teenager.)

Of note, ever see 'white litghning' with burt reynolds? this show auctioned off his bandit TA and at the show I swear was his lightning ford - giant 4 door sedan with a killer 429, 4spd and cop tires....
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Near as I can remember it, the last term is supposed to be a grease job, except for the final project and any thesis...(my last project was a Prolog-based translator to turn the engineering dept fortran programs into pascal as well as the emacs user manual)

anyways, once you have the diploma, a NEW work starts - or should. One where you are on station by 8am in some sort of monkey suit and tie and have to keep quiet a lot. Sometimes you get an 'office space' type job, others are like 'head office' and in this day and age like 'secret of my success'.

But its important to take time to smell the roses. The multitude of car shows near me are my roses (it used to be also weekly ATV trips but Im 50 - its often a painful task to keep up with my teenager.)

Of note, ever see 'white litghning' with burt reynolds? this show auctioned off his bandit TA and at the show I swear was his lightning ford - giant 4 door sedan with a killer 429, 4spd and cop tires....
It would be a easy quarter if I did not have 3 lab courses (which last quarter I (re?)discovered was unsustainable), one of my teachers was not a complete idiot who is sometimes more being taught by the class than teaching it, and I did not have 2 days of 8AM class (I've never been a morning person). Last year I took the senior design course, and that thing drove me to the edge of insanity (I caught myself nearly peeing in bathroom trash cans, jumping down flights of stairs, and muttering "I want to go home" while at home, all for no reason) since we bit off more than we could chew, and I had a number of courses that were hideously complex and challenging. This my fifth year and thanks to a summer internship my burnout from last year never completely dissipated. My mind ain't being bent as bad as last year, but the excess busy work is about the last thing I need.
My roses have been the local radio meets, but that has been on the decline. It used to be I hit all the Local and Chicago meets, but then college started and it all gradually got to the point that this year I have not made a meet since fall and the local ones are maybe 5-15 minutes away from school...It would help if they did not hold them from about 6:45-8:30AM (it goes on longer, but way too many folks leave early) on Sundays when I stay up late for my only weekly TV viewing on Saturday (A few times I almost drove myself, then choose sleep instead).

I've never seen "White Lightning" (I may try to now), but I considered a Ford sedan or two from that era when I was looking for a car. I liked the looks, and half decent ones could had for about 1K$...Which would have left me plenty of money to play with, and I would not feel as bad about being in an accident in something so cheap....There are enough bad/suicidal drivers out here that defensive driving is a must, especially on the highway.
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Hey EM- sounds like you need a pick me up !
Thought you would like (or not) reading the well tuned "car guy" Paul Niedermeyer's
review of the mighty Mark's which spawned the '78 that leaks all over yer parents
driveway.... I was going through some of my bookmarks - found a few links that
lead me back to TTAC - I use to read it all the time, then after re-reading a few
choice reviews of '80's GM cars, I thought, hey look up the '78 Mark 5....
Not that he did one for your car exclusively, but you can see it in the type....
Enjoy.....

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ental-mark-iv/

PS- And yes I got a sense of humor, and I can take it too.....
Yes he also pissed on my first car too.....

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...ustang-mach-1/

Oh hell - this is the one that started it, ya might as well read this one too....
Maybe read it first.... It's really good....

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...iest-sin-ever/


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At the demo derby on the 3rd 2 lincolns were entered. an older 75ish and a 79 with a 400. Both didnt last and ended up in the consy round where they didnt last. The 75 should have won everything, but the guy lost before he showed up - he didnt weld the spiders and used the worst cheapest used snow tires he could find on the rear. Once they flattened, the car would not move. It outweighed everything there by 1000lbs and should have cleaned up....
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Elation and frustration

I have not had much time for my car or the forums lately due to unpleasant circumstances lately which I'll try to go into at the end.

I'll start with the good stuff. When I bought it there was a significant amount of rust below the vinyl roof on the passenger side, and it had been there long enough to stain the paint orange beyond any normal wash's ability to clean.
The paint had become dull and spotty, and an aborted automatic wash, at a gas station who's car wash has a bad reputation, left the paint streaky. I was about to declare the paint dead, but decided to try waxing it as a last ditch effort. I bought a can of Turtle wax and also a can of their pre-wax polishing compound....That polishing compound is AMAZING! It actually removed the rust stains from the paint.

Left is a before showing the stains, right is the polished cleaned surface. I cannot begin to express how happy I was when those horribly obvious rust stains on the paint scrubbed off. And after the wax it looked about as shiny as I'd imagine it did when new. I plan to re-polish some bad areas (tenacious bird crap and bug remains) I did before I give it another wax.

Now for the bad....Technically yesterday (as I write this) The starter motor shorted. I went to a local weekly car show, ran some errands, and took it to a local drive in that I've mentioned before with no problem, but once I finished eating and tried to start it, as soon as the key went to crank position the whole electrical system went dead and did not come back when the key was released. I popped the hood and jiggled the battery cables and it came back so I cranked it again with the hood open and saw sparks. After all trying once or twice more I left the ignition on and used a jumper cable to bridge from the battery to the motor side of the starter relay and was able to get it to crank once, but it needed the gas pressed to start, and I was not in reach of the throttle so that last chance was wasted. Subsequent attempts with help failed and the starter barely wanted to turn and heated the heck out of the stout jumper cable...I had it towed home and before the tow we tried a booster battery and the tow driver reached the same conclusion I did. Tomorrow I'm going to have to do some research into where I can get a motor and see if feasible it will be to do it my self...

I also have been too busy to get to the driver side door power lock failing again (if that new motor failed I'll have to wonder), and the 8-track scraping and running slow...Those have been bugging me for about a month now.

As for me being occupied, well....The company my dad works for which manages nursing homes has been nearly ran out of business by Obamacare. And a Saudi company has purchased it to rip it's real estate resources off and spin the company's objective off into another likely-to-fail orphan business to whom the Saudis will then rent the real estate resources they ripped off back to. This new enterprise is downsizing from what it was, and before the year is out my Dad will no longer be employed by them. His job search locally in the past few months has not been encouraging, and if this continues he will have to look for positions that will require relocation....I've been planing to keep living with my folks until I've saved the money to buy my own home with no or little credit. My basement workshop became a nightmare over the last school year, and I've been trying to dump excess junk, complete MANY half done projects, get it clean enough that I can find screws I drop on the floor, etc. I'm doing great things with my electronics hobby, but am under too much pressure to enjoy it. This has been eating my time along with the folks making me help them remodel the house in preparation for selling it....A situation I've been in before and hate...I'd sooner burn it down for insurance than break my back to see it nice for a short time and have to leave it....My life is becoming a continuous case of get used to where I'm living, waste my life at metaphorical gun point to make my home nice so I can move away against my will (I need a shoots self in head emotacon). To make matters worse I kinda need to look for a job so I can afford to do some things I want to do to my car, save money, build my collection, pay student loans, etc, but I can't since I'd likely have to quit and move in a few months. This whole mess has left me in a chronically angry depressed emotional/psychological state.
....I should probably shut up now I'm half asleep and pissed off which is a bad combo.
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That same polishing compound also works well on dull Bakelite radio cabinets.
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Polishing compound is more abrasive than wax, and there are several different
types, you can find at automotive paint supply stores.... Wax is very lite abrasive.

Sorry about your life, but get use to working. Your dad's job is like one of my wife's and
mine's friend, close to retirement she may end up retiring sooner.... who knows...
She is a medical biller or some kind, works for a Catholic based hospital I think.

It's not Obamacare's fault, health insurance and the health care industry is too
dam expensive for most people, you will find that out soon enough.....
Healthcare needs to be made affordable or it needs to close..... $10. Aspirin anyone...?

This is a time for you to prioritize what you need to do to secure your future. I have
not worked on a tv in 20 years as I worked my landscaping job after EET degree.
I graduated during the Regan Recession, Oil Slumped really bad, Economy SUCKED,
I stayed with my summer job because it was doing well.... My contributions to the
company made it doubly profitable, and I was well rewarded, In short use your
skills in any way you may need to....

You - graduating in the next few years.... You will be graduating during the Next
Republican Recession, and it will be bigger than the last. If you have not kept up
with current events, this "recovery" has not lead to better pay, or lots of jobs...
Be Very Careful how much Debt you accumulate NOW. My Mechanical engineering
cousin now about 60 has done most of his work designing pressure vessels, and
industrial production equipment related to pharmaceutical, and chemical processes,
in the last 20 years in India, China, and the Eastern BRIC countries. Today the
industry sucks, not much is designed here, his company now repairs existing equipment.

Many of the people I went to school with for engineering are now readjusted into the
service industry.

The world is a growing place, and growth takes place where it is most profitable.
Where costs are the lowest, where workers are exploited the most. Those who
choose to compete will be meeting those costs. AKA Being laid off and rehired with
a new title paid less, work more..... Sorry it's the new new reality for some...

Hope things turn out better....

PS Funny, before Avon, my wife worked for a growing advertising list company,
It was bought by a guy unlike the owner of Arbusto Oil, someone who
lost money on every business investment. Imagine not being able to find
Oil in Texass.... This guy bought the company,
sold off profitable parts, gutted it and eventually it was bought by a much
smaller competitor years later.... Kinda like your Dad's situation....
It worked out ok.... for now....

PS2 - That car..... Junk it for something cheap to run, and practical, till you
have the time and money for something to play with.....

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That same polishing compound also works well on dull Bakelite radio cabinets.
Thanks, I've got a couple of sets which could use a polish, and plenty of the stuff left.

I got the new starter in yesterday after spending Thursday night prying it loose. I'd have gotten it unmounted a LOT faster if I'd have realized that the top bolt goes in from the back (instead I assumed it was missing since I could not see it). That bolt is easy-ish to get at from the open hood if you look for it and have arms as long as mine. After I got it off I let it sit in the cars front end until yesterday when I figured out that the easiest way to get it out is to steer left so there is enough of a gap between the suspension and the steering rods to slide it out of the nook it resides in. The gear teeth all looked good so I got and installed a replacement. It is back to working as good as always now.

The bad starter appears to be the original Motorcraft part ~38 years ain't a bad run for a part like that.


I built up some muscle prying the old one free. It is quite empowering doing work that most people I know would not know how to do much less want to try.



Warning to those wanting to read about cars the rest of my post is mostly way off that topic.

Squirrel boy I was starting to think you were a cool guy, but your last post makes you sound like a damn Commycrat.

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Sorry about your life, but get use to working. Your dad's job is like one of my wife's and mine's friend, close to retirement she may end up retiring sooner.... who knows...
She is a medical biller or some kind, works for a Catholic based hospital I think.
My Dad is a step below the Director of the employee benefits department knows more than her and has the credentials to back it up, and would have had her job after she retires were it not for this.

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It's not Obamacare's fault, health insurance and the health care industry is too dam expensive for most people, you will find that out soon enough.....
Healthcare needs to be made affordable or it needs to close..... $10. Aspirin anyone...?
Not Obamacares fault!?!?...BULLSHIT!!! Dad has been with that large nursing home operating company since the latter part of the Bush administration. When he started the company was prosperous most people there were getting good raises and bonuses the company rented out a HUGE Ballroom in the Marcus Center for the performing arts annually for the Christmas party, etc. Sure the great recession had some effect, but things were stable and relatively unaffected until Obamacare was passed....Then it all went in to the toilet Christmas party gone, bonuses almost non existent, raises essentially gone...I can count on one hand the number of people that got even a meager raise since that damned act passed (and the only one dad has got was due to him studying and getting additional credentials) the cost of living was near the margins of his salary before raises stopped and health insurance (thank you obamacare, thank you commy Democrat bastards this is exactly the opposite of what you claimed it would be) and other cost of living increases have squeezed us.
Healthcare needs to be affordable or close, you say? So by that that logic if you decide your to offer your RCA 630 set for $10000 the government should stop you form ever dealing in TVs again because it is not affordable? That is nuts! Ignoring the blatant stupidity of arbitrarily artificially putting an industry into layoffs during a massive economic slump....Do you have no concept of a FREE MARKET (which the USA is supposed to be)? In a free market a service (or product) is worth what someone will pay for it. If there is no customers due to expense the service ceases to exist or changes to meet demand. If a service survives on the rich and pockets obscenely large profits and there is a market for that service that is priced out then someone WILL come along and cater to that market with a cheaper leaner equivalent service. Whenever I hear a liberal prattle BS like that and tell those they have disenfranchised that they are fine and to shut up about their plight and not let the world know, a little voice in the back of my head starts of dreaming of subjecting them to horror movie like torture.
As for 10$ aspirin, etc, the Pharmaceuticals are corrupt pirates who spend several times more advertising sex pills than actually researching new medication, price fix, and hide behind patents to extort the American people for their meds, which often are dangerous poorly tested crap....Obamacare did not do a DAMN THING about that, and guess what none of the Democrats, Washington establishment republicans, and even some of the staunch conservatives will NEVER do a thing about it since the Pharmaceuticals BRIBE (oh, wait they call it lobbying) the crap out of washing ton to preserve their cartel. All politicians but the staunchest of conservatives are too damn greedy not to fall for it so it sadly may never get addressed.


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You - graduating in the next few years.... You will be graduating during the Next Republican Recession, and it will be bigger than the last. If you have not kept up with current events, this "recovery" has not lead to better pay, or lots of jobs...

Many of the people I went to school with for engineering are now readjusted into the service industry.
I graduated at the end of May and got my diploma. I have not seen a recession that can be blamed on republicans. The Current recession that started during Bush's lame duck period was caused by Democrats in the house/senate and democrat/commy groups like Acorn (who Obama was part of) who pushed Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac to issue all those sub-prime loans, against sane banking practice, that set the economy up for the great recession. I remember Bush himself coming out against it and warning of what was to come, but he was powerless and his words went unheeded.
Recovery?...What Recovery things ain't in free fall no more, but improvements ain't happening either, and I don't believe the positive federal jobs reports any more...Every new one seems to come with a message saying the previous one was wrong and things are grossly worse than reported....Never mind that we've been doing this for many years and were more accurate before this administration that you can't do anything to make look bad, oops aren't we ditzes?....Please ruling party don't crush us and make us put out completely bogus data that totally ruins our remaining credibility.

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PS2 - That car..... Junk it for something cheap to run, and practical, till you have the time and money for something to play with.....
Sure, but let's see you junk that 80's Dodge Dakota, or your tube TVs first. I'd rather have a cheap gas guzzler that I can do most of the repairs on my self, than an over priced modern efficient planed obsolescence mobile that I have to take to a shop every time it needs an oil change. I own my car for the same reason I use only tube signal chain TVs: I understand/can easily grasp what goes on under the hood, can do most important work my self, refuse to give a damn about efficiency, and like the style and service I get more than anything modern I could get for the price.
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Sure, but let's see you junk that 80's Dodge Dakota, or your tube TVs first. I'd rather have a cheap gas guzzler that I can do most of the repairs on my self, than an over priced modern efficient planed obsolescence mobile that I have to take to a shop every time it needs an oil change. I own my car for the same reason I use only tube signal chain TVs: I understand/can easily grasp what goes on under the hood, can do most important work my self, refuse to give a damn about efficiency, and like the style and service I get more than anything modern I could get for the price.
Neither of us could take a 20-year hiatus from the TV hobby, we would go nuts! It all depends on how hardcore the hobbyist is. For some it can be a respite in trying times. Sure it's costly, but I do what I can, when I can. Since I got into this I have compensated for lack of equipment/good TVs/parts by reading up on the subject. I have a decent amount of that stuff now, but still a long way to go.

If I don't like looking at something and/or it's made on the cheap, it's worth nothing to me. That rules out most new cars, electronics, appliances, furniture. If I really like something but can't fix or use it right away, it will sit for as long as it takes to remedy the situation, but junking is out of the question.

About this particular car, I too am impressed by how well the wax worked. I'd do something about that rust very soon though and eventually get the quarters re-painted.
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