Videokarma.org

Go Back   Videokarma.org TV - Video - Vintage Television & Radio Forums > Early Color Television

We appreciate your help

in keeping this site going.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-03-2008, 05:54 PM
ohohyodafarted's Avatar
ohohyodafarted ohohyodafarted is offline
Bob Galanter
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Whitefish Bay, Wi (Milwaukee)
Posts: 1,053
3 Strip Technicolor Movie Database

The 15GP22 Poll got a bit off topic and evolved into a discussion about full gamut color and lead to a discussion of Technicolor motion pictures.

Early Technicolor 3 strip motion pictures which used the imbibition dye transfer process were without question the most vivid of all color motion picture films. Because the colors are so vivid, many of these movies are a delight to watch on a tv with full gamut phosphors like are use in the 15GP22.

It was a very expensive process to use. It required special cameras that shot 3 rolls of film negatives simulteanously (one negative for each primary color). The 3 negatives were then "printed" using the imbibition dye transfer process, which produced a final full color positive film.

The following is a web site that I found that contains a database of all the 3 negative Technicolor movies that were printed with the imbibition dye transfer process.

http://www.lopek.com/3stf/3stf_index.php?page=default

On the left side of the above web page you will see a section titled "View By DVD AVailability" If you click on the American Flag icon, it will open a new page that lists all the Technicolor movie titles available in the USA.

By clicking on any of the movie titles it will open a page about the movie. On the page about the movie there will be more links including places where you can purchase the movies.

Below is a link to a Wikipedia page about Technicolor that explains how the process worked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technic...ansfer_process

This is interesting stuff. Take some time to learn about Technicolor. It was way ahead of it's time, and argueably, the finest color motion picture film ever produced. Because of the fact that Technicolor used a dye transfer printing process, old Technicolor prints have an ability to last through the ages without fading.

Enjoy,
Bob
__________________
Vacuum tubes are used in Wisconsin to help heat your house.

New Web Site under developement
ME http://AntiqueTvGuy.com
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-03-2008, 06:02 PM
old_tv_nut's Avatar
old_tv_nut old_tv_nut is offline
See yourself on Color TV!
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Rancho Sahuarita
Posts: 7,201
More on Technicolor and its predecessors here:
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/oldcolor/index.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-03-2008, 06:49 PM
Sandy G's Avatar
Sandy G Sandy G is offline
Spiteful Old Cuss
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Rogersville, Tennessee
Posts: 9,571
This has a lot of similarities-in concept, anyway-to 4-color process printing.
__________________
Benevolent Despot
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-03-2008, 09:57 PM
old_tv_nut's Avatar
old_tv_nut old_tv_nut is offline
See yourself on Color TV!
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Rancho Sahuarita
Posts: 7,201
Technicolor did a great job of color control on the sets to make up for the deficiencies of the over-all process. For one thing, they would gray down the whites so that the colors stood out by comparison - this is a good way to make up for deficiencies in the dyes, because you can user denser printing and get more saturated colors.

The other advantage that has been mentioned is that the dyes were very stable and therefore prints have lasted without significant fading.

However, the greatest thing about Technicolor movie longevity is when the original 3 negatives have been preserved. This allows various techniques of restoration that are impossible with a color negative that has faded. Disney's classis animations are preserved this way

1) reprint the negs - this may suffer from degraded registration of the colors if the three negatives have shrunk differently over the years
1b) same as (1), but follow with electronic color correction. This is typically what you see on DVDs.

2) Scan the negatives, and then, the sky's the limit on what you can do with computer restoration (including re-registration of shrunken negatives) and electronic projection.

At the SMPTE conference in 2006, Warner Bros. treated the attendees to a demo of their restoration work. Clips from Robin Hood were stupendous. No film weave, no dust, and the improved registration showed gold threads in Olivia de Havilland's costume that probably were not visible even in the original theater prints.

The studios are working on very high resolution projection for theaters (4000 pixels wide), but even converting these restorations to Blu-Ray disc should be beautiful. I hope they see a commercial path to remastering a bunch of the old classics with the full process.

By the way, the 2-disc special edition of Robin Hood includes a bonus program "Glorious Technicolor" on the history of Technicolor. There is also a companion book of the same title that has been printed in 2 or maybe 3 editions.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-04-2008, 01:08 AM
Steve D.'s Avatar
Steve D. Steve D. is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Hollywood Hills, Ca.
Posts: 1,790
Always enjoy the 1938 Technicolor "Robin Hood". Happy to say I have both the first edition of "Glorious Technicolor" by Fred E. Basten, 1980, A.S. Barnes & Co. publisher. The book is out of print and somewhat hard to find these days. And the 1998 one hour TV documentary "Glorious Technicolor" as seen on TCM. TCM has repeated, from time to time, this fine history of the Technicolor Co. Hosted and narrated by Angela Lansbury. A great extra on the Robin Hood DVD. I also have in my collection, along with many three strip Technicolor films, several 2 strip Technicolor shorts and films from the 20's and early 30's The Widescreen Museum web site listed in the previous post is an extensive and fun tour of all wide screen and color film processes. Highly recommended.

-Steve D.
__________________
Please visit my CT-100, CTC-5, vintage color tv site:
http://www.wtv-zone.com/Stevetek/
Reply With Quote
Audiokarma
  #6  
Old 10-04-2008, 04:59 AM
Eric H's Avatar
Eric H Eric H is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: So. Calif
Posts: 11,565
The Wizard of Oz and Robin Hood are two of the best examples of what they can do when they go all out to restore one of these films, they're are absolutely stunning in their clarity and color, no doubt better than their original theatrical prints.

Robin Hood was just released on Blu-Ray, can't wait to see how that looks!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:44 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©Copyright 2012 VideoKarma.org, All rights reserved.