Front or top loader washer?

[centralradio]

I just saw in the holiday flyer that LG came out with a dual washer.

[Colly0410]

Originally Posted by centralradio

I just saw in the holiday flyer that LG came out with a dual washer.

Just been reading through some of the wash programs 'bedding, sanitary, allergen, bright whites, sports wear etc. Why not just short, medium & long wash & a temp & spin speed controls? That would be so simple. My cheapo Beko washer has - hand wash, woolens, eco clean 20, dark care, mixed fabrics, synthetics, cottons, cottons eco, intensive, baby & toddler clothing, daily quick, express super short, freshen up, self clean, spin & drain & rinse on a dial. then spin speed, temp, time delay, pre wash, quicker wash, extra rinse, anti crease, time delay & start/pause buttons. I wash everything on mixed fabrics cold wash & things come out clean, it's a 1 hour wash; intensive wash is 3 hours & 8 minutes long, lol...

[centralradio]

Originally Posted by Colly0410

Just been reading through some of the wash programs 'bedding, sanitary, allergen, bright whites, sports wear etc. Why not just short, medium & long wash & a temp & spin speed controls? That would be so simple. My cheapo Beko washer has - hand wash, woolens, eco clean 20, dark care, mixed fabrics, synthetics, cottons, cottons eco, intensive, baby & toddler clothing, daily quick, express super short, freshen up, self clean, spin & drain & rinse on a dial. then spin speed, temp, time delay, pre wash, quicker wash, extra rinse, anti crease, time delay & start/pause buttons. I wash everything on mixed fabrics cold wash & things come out clean, it's a 1 hour wash; intensive wash is 3 hours & 8 minutes long, lol...

I do the same in my Sears Kenmore top loader.All colors in one run which is about 25 plus minutes.Delicate stuff gets hand washed.

[centralradio]

I'm wondering how long those front loader door gaskets hold out.

[lnx64]

Well, they can still leak on the bottom for both kinds..

Our front loader hasn't leaked at the door in years, and the Hotpoint before it, didn't leak either.

[madlabs]

Bought a Speed Queen made in USA top loader with a mechanical timer last year. Kicks ass, washes great and will last for many years.

[Colly0410]

I'd have a top loader tomorrow if I could find somewhere to put it, mine is not the biggest house in the world. Next door have converted their downstairs toilet/wash room into a utility room so have room for a top loader - but they've got a front loader. I've thought about converting my downstairs toilet/wash room to a utility but SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) doesn't want to so that's that..

[midtrans]

I've only ever seen differing stove and dryer plug configurations. The three-blade types from back in the day appeared to be about the same size, but the dryer configuration had an one L shaped blade. I'm quite sure different conductor sizes are the chief reason for the deliberate incompatibility: Dryers are typically fused for 30 amps, stoves for 50.

[dieseljeep]

Originally Posted by midtrans

I've only ever seen differing stove and dryer plug configurations. The three-blade types from back in the day appeared to be about the same size, but the dryer configuration had an one L shaped blade. I'm quite sure different conductor sizes are the chief reason for the deliberate incompatibility: Dryers are typically fused for 30 amps, stoves for 50.

Range cords are 6AWG, Dryer cords are 10AWG.
In the 50's and early 60's, it was common to see range cords on dryers, but the receptacle was wired for 30amps.
The NEMA configurations were changed in the late 60's To what is used today.
The range and dryer cords were changed to 4 conductor, to separate the neutral return and the equipment grounding conductor.
It's been the practice in Canada longer than the US.

[maxhifi]

Originally Posted by dieseljeep

Range cords are 6AWG, Dryer cords are 10AWG.
In the 50's and early 60's, it was common to see range cords on dryers, but the receptacle was wired for 30amps.
The NEMA configurations were changed in the late 60's To what is used today.
The range and dryer cords were changed to 4 conductor, to separate the neutral return and the equipment grounding conductor.
It's been the practice in Canada longer than the US.

Up here in the north, ranges are always 40A, dryers 30A. And yes we always have had a separate neutral and ground. Really old installations are hard wired, no plug or socket.

[dieseljeep]

Hard wired ranges and dryers weren't that common, but there was a few out there.
The plug and receptacle was required when the code dictated that there had to be a means of disconnect at the appliance.

[maxhifi]

The hard wired ones I've seen were from the 50s and 60s, used a piece of flexible conduit with a 90 degree strain relief, mounted into a knockout on a steel junction box cover plate. Other appliances commonly hard wired here in Canada until very recently are the kitchen waste disposal, and of course the dishwasher.

[mbates14]

I know a few people that have had nothing but problems with modern machines and front loaders. the boots go bad and leak, but then the aluminum drum drive spline corrodes and breaks/falls apart on some models, they are all moving to brushless DC motor systems and those control boards are failing at an alarming rate on some models.

I have a pair of mid to late 80s models, matched set washer and dryer. they are still going strong. I bought those on purpose just because I knew of their reliability. All mechanical, no electronics.

[init4fun]

Originally Posted by mbates14

I know a few people that have had nothing but problems with modern machines and front loaders. the boots go bad and leak, but then the aluminum drum drive spline corrodes and breaks/falls apart on some models, they are all moving to brushless DC motor systems and those control boards are failing at an alarming rate on some models.

I have a pair of mid to late 80s models, matched set washer and dryer. they are still going strong. I bought those on purpose just because I knew of their reliability. All mechanical, no electronics.

The top loader has been perfected over the last 100 years to do one thing and one thing only , wash clothes . Now along comes the front loader with it's mandate to not only wash clothes , but to save water & electricity while washing those clothes . Anytime you put such compromises into a machine's design there is no way it's gonna outperform the machine that has clean clothes , and not saving water & electricity , as it's principal design consideration .

Like you , I'll cling to my beloved top loader till the eco freaks pry it from my mostly clean hands ....

[zeno]

Originally Posted by init4fun

The top loader has been perfected over the last 100 years to do one thing and one thing only , wash clothes . Now along comes the front loader with it's mandate to not only wash clothes , but to save water & electricity while washing those clothes . Anytime you put such compromises into a machine's design there is no way it's gonna outperform the machine that has clean clothes , and not saving water & electricity , as it's principal design consideration .

Like you , I'll cling to my beloved top loader till the eco freaks pry it from my mostly clean hands ....

Absolutely the best summary of the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6T5BojXc8

I will add a question. What uses more energy?? Replacing an appliance
every 5 yrs & recycling it then building a new POS & shipping it
a thousand miles ? OR using more water & electric and keeping it
20-40 yrs ?
BTW Speed Queen that was the last real washer has now had a re design.
The also raised the price by abt $100. I got mine just before. My still
running abt 40 yr old Maytag is in the cellar waiting for its next
assignment. The delivery men really wanted to take it away !
Gee I wonder why ?