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12-30-2010, 02:21 AM
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a brochure and catalog data for this ge color early cameras
we have brochures and catalog sheets fro these early ge color cameras... scary the turret looks like the the one I am missing for my tk41.
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06-07-2011, 02:22 AM
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I know that KCOP channel 13 here in Los Angeles used GE color equipment. The station began broadcasting color film segments of their travel shows by Bill Burrud and others in 1962 and eventually had live color later. I know that they used GE's PE-250 cameras, but they might have also had the IO cameras initially.
There is a Petula Clark clip, supposedly from the Lloyd Thaxton dance show on YouTube (the clip with quad head banding), that has a moment when a camera intrudes on a scene from the left. The handles near the bottom of the camera look suspiciously like those on the PE-25. The Lloyd Thaxton show was done live on KCOP in the afternoons as I recall. KCOP had a really nice animated color announcement logo by the way. Of course, the PE-250 was also used in ABC's Vine Street studio where they did the Joey Bishop late-night show and the Dating Game with Jim Lange. The control room had a floor-to-ceiling window facing the main lobby. One afternoon they had a PE-250 in the shop next to the control room with its side open and scope probes hanging inside. No one was there. I guess they had gone on break. There were various manuals open and I remember seeing a vectorscope with the color-bar vectors just rolling unsynchronized on the display. It's funny what you remember after all those years. The PE-250 was also used in New York on ABC's Dick Cavett Show.
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06-07-2011, 05:32 PM
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Two of the New York City TV stations used PE-250's, both beginning in 1967: WPIX (Ch. 11) and WOR-TV (Ch. 9).
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06-07-2011, 08:31 PM
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06-07-2011, 09:08 PM
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When it comes to New York TV, you are the experts. I have never been there, I'm ashamed to admit. I grew up in the L.A. area. Maybe sometime I'll get there.
It would have been fun to see New York City television in person at that time (or now). But we used to go into Hollywood and visit the various stations at about the time Steve Allen was doing his Westinghouse show on Vine Street. It was a fun time also. I hope this works...I haven't tried inserting a web address yet. It's the URL for the Petula Clark clip. The subtle camera intrusion happens at approximately 1:04. See what kind of camera you think it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO7CR...eature=related The other segment of this show is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOAHE...eature=related
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06-08-2011, 03:24 PM
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I seem to remember reading that when KHJ-TV added live studio color around 1967 (the last to the party, apparently), they went with Norelco PC-70's - which were also used by KTTV and KABC-TV. KNXT, I seem to recall, had Marconi Mark VII color cameras, and KNBC had RCA TK-41's (of course!). KTLA had both TK-41's and PC-70's. (If I'm mistaken on any of the above, feel free to set us all straight.)
As for the "intrusion" at the 1:04 mark, the bottom looks more to me like a boom mic stand than a camera pedestal.
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06-09-2011, 01:57 AM
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10-05-2012, 09:01 PM
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GE PE-240 4V film island cameras at CBS NY Broadcast Center
See next post. With pix attached.
TL Last edited by Ted Langdell; 10-05-2012 at 09:09 PM. Reason: Delete duplicate post
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10-05-2012, 09:06 PM
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GE PE-240 4V film island cameras at CBS NY Broadcast Center
With attachments this time. (Infrequent posting... sorry)
John's print ads ID the CBS NYC Broadcast Center cameras as PE-240's, as seen in these pictures provided by retired Broadcast Center Engineer Harold Deppe, Sr. The first shows a PE 240 without cover and doors. There's a Simplex 35mm projector The second shows film island #11 with Eastman 16mm projector 16-11, and a slide projector system—SL-11—that I don't know whom manufactured. Just noticed the name on the multiplexer door, and wonder whether it says "Eastman." The character count is right, and the blurred lettering seems to suggest that. You'll note that while there's a multiplexed island in the foreground, the line of gear stretching beyond that has 16mm Eastman projectors feeding a single PE-240 through the side of a rack. Note how they alternate: Projector, Camera, Projector, Camera. In this photo http://www.cbsretirees.com/Degan/image5.html from NBC Today Show editor Dennis Degan's visit to CBS in 1978, you see a 35mm Simplex "35-5" shooting through a rack into a single PE-240. By using a single-projector/single-camera setup CBS could ensure that there weren't accidents involving mirror flops during a broadcast. That design also allowed a number of things to happen during broadcasts or transfers to videotape. CBS often did A-B-C picture rolls with separate magnetic sound. By rolling the four machines in sync, they could cut, dissolve, wipe and key from any of the cameras. Looking at Film Island 11 again: The Eastman 16mm projector has what seems to be a "PicClear" type attachment on top (glass bowl on metal bracket to left of supply reel arm). That used a fluid with refraction similar to film base. The fluid flowed onto pads located before the film gate, and cleaned the film and caused base-side scratches to be minimized. The black box to the left of that might be a Selsyn or synchronous motor that would enable multiple machines to be interlocked during broadcast of A-B-C and Mag Sound reels. About the photos: Harold Deppe, Jr. passed his dad's photos to me as Secretary of the Quad Videotape Group (http://www.quadvideotapegroup.com) Both Deppes live in Tucson, AZ, where Sr, is still an active Ham, at last report, and Jr is a maint. engineer for one of the original alphabet net affiliates. Both are on the QuadList, as is Dennis Degan. Dennis's photos are seen several places... including the Retired NY CBS Engineers' website: http://www.cbsretirees.com/Degan/page1.html with some people and location identifications added. Also on Bobby Ellerbee's Eyes of a Generation website: http://www.eyesofageneration.com/dd_cbs.php which link to his Flickr collection: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dennisdegan/sets/ It's interesting how there's a mix of new and old in some facilities. In this photo at NBC/1976, http://www.flickr.com/photos/dennisd...7600587940970/ New TP-55A multiplexers and other equipment is being installed. Here's Dennis's view of NBC NY's fifth floor Telecine room in 1978, showing the older RCA multiplexers in use. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dennisd...7600587940970/ Hope this is of interest. Ted
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11-04-2023, 03:26 PM
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It has come to light that CBS ordered, and took delivery of, the GE 4-V's for their New York Broadcast Center (and WCBS-TV local operations) and Hollywood Television City in 1965, the first delivered around April and the last some time in the summer, and would thus have been fully equipped by the time the 1965-66 season came around; this from the April 26, 1965 issue of Broadcasting magazine:
https://www.worldradiohistory.com/hd...-Page-0052.pdf Thus the first CBS film chains would have actually been PE-24. I wonder, given the variant models as PE-24A and PE-24B, which of those two would have had the rounded edges on the camera head, and which would have had them square. I know CBS went with the round-edged variety. Apparently, another set of GE chains arrived the next year (the earliest references to PE-240 in GE advertising was March of 1966), as much of the photos taken in CBS's telecine department had the appearance of 240's. Last edited by W.B.; 11-17-2023 at 07:10 PM.
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