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Old 07-05-2017, 12:43 PM
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I thinks as of now there is no stations here in CT will get a reprieve getting piggybacked with another channel.All of our main stations will stay on the air as they are now.We will lose a few low budget stations,A PBS afil ,and a couple Spanish language stations which all will go off the air for good and take the loot..
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Old 07-07-2017, 01:20 PM
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WWSI is Telemundo for South Jersey. One day after never being able to pull it in, it locked in on the Samsung SIRT-451, not an e-skip fluke either.

After scanning in on another DT, I found it was coming from one of the Philly transmitters as a subchannel, though it's virtual was still 62.1

It would be nice if WHYY would abandon VHF 12, they broadcast much less power than is needed to cover their area, and go as a sub on one of the flamethrower transmitters like WPHL-17.
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:56 AM
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It would be nice if WHYY would abandon VHF 12, they broadcast much less power than is needed to cover their area, and go as a sub on one of the flamethrower transmitters like WPHL-17.
It's a matter of economics. Using a DTV subchannel in the VHF TV band, with a VHF transmitter of course, is much less expensive than setting up a UHF DTV channel, since VHF TV transmitters and towers, etc. are cheaper than UHF ones. The same situation exists here in northeastern Ohio with the CBS TV affiliate, and also with the FOX affiliate. The CBS station transmits on VHF DTV channel 10 (virtual channel 19), which reaches the western half of the Cleveland area just fine; however, the channel does not reach the eastern half of the station's viewing area, making it impossible to watch that station with rabbit ears and a DTV converter or with such an antenna connected directly to the TV, even a flat-screen set with a clear-QAM tuner. (The same holds true for FOX channel 8, which transmits on RF channel 8.) To get either station's DTV subchannel at all requires a high-power VHF high-band antenna. Your situation with channel 12, which is located, IIRC, in Wilmington, Delaware, is very similar to the one folks here in northeastern Ohio have to tolerate with the CBS affiliate and also the FOX station on channel 8; this is not likely to change any time soon, or perhaps at all.
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Old 07-09-2017, 09:19 PM
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WWSI is Telemundo for South Jersey. One day after never being able to pull it in, it locked in on the Samsung SIRT-451, not an e-skip fluke either.
No, a trop fluke! Sporadic-E skip only affects HF and VHF (and not the whole of VHF at that).

Tropospheric refraction affects VHF and UHF. Trop (also called tropo) is more common than E-skip, but usually involves shorter distances than Es.

Most trop openings affect all TV channels and the FM broadcast band, but the low VHF channels and the FM band are sometimes excluded.
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Old 07-11-2017, 09:10 AM
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What Jeff is experiencing in the Cleveland coverage area is also true in most of this area. If you want all the channels and are outside of the near-suburbs, its not always possible unless you have an outdoor VHF antenna, and if it is not a large one with a least 8 elements, usually a mast-mounted pre-amp is needed for stable VHF.

I have found rabbit ears useless for all but one local channel WGAL-8, which is high band V. It makes customer's antenna installations difficult because the other local is WHTM-10 the ABC, but to pull just that ONE channel, a 10-element HB yagi or VHF broadband must be added to a modest UHF antenna, which easily pulls in the 5 UHF locals. This makes an easy installation much more complex, large and for some, unsightly.

The stations who decided to remain on VHF as DT have become the "difficult" channels where for UHF, the opposite is true. Most of those UHF fringe channels now on DT can be received with a classic corner reflector or 4-bay bowtie!

Prior to DTV, WJZ-13, WBAL-11, WPVI-6 and WHYY-12 could be received with a small VHF antenna up to 60 miles away, as we are. After DTV, a much larger VHF is needed, with an amp
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:28 AM
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Sorry to tune off topic alittlebet. .Pun intended. What is surprising to me is whats happening in TV's number one market with WNBC TV 4.


http://www.radiodiscussions.com/show...or-214-million


http://www.broadcastingcable.com/new...ns-wwsi/164893
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:09 PM
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WCAU has a way better signal on DT-34, WWSI is way better off there, allows them to compete directly with WUVP. This eliminates the coverage area advantage WUVP enjoyed. KYW and WPHL are also good candidates to add sub-channels and charge "rent", as these are the most stable even at the fringe.
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