Videokarma.org

Go Back   Videokarma.org TV - Video - Vintage Television & Radio Forums > Early B&W and Projection TV

We appreciate your help

in keeping this site going.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 04-25-2010, 12:19 AM
jr_tech's Avatar
jr_tech jr_tech is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 4,515
Could the 25Z6 and 6X5 be swapped? one picture caption sez 25Z6 is on an extender, but the tube near the selenium is extended... on my Hallicrafters the 6X5 is next to the selenium.

jr
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 04-25-2010, 01:17 AM
bandersen's Avatar
bandersen bandersen is offline
RCA 741PCS
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,101
You're right I did have them swapped at first - the 6X5 really lit up!

I did find another problem though. I screwed up and connected the black lead on one of lytics to ground. It should be connected to the AC line.




That brought the voltages back up to the proper levels and the picture improved quite a bit


My victory was short lived though. I had the set running for a while and it was working well when I saw a bright flash from the 6X5 I tested it and the filament is blown. Could be the brief time I had it in the wrong socket damaged it. I popped in a good one, but it's not working. The filament doesn't glow. Which is bizarre because all the other tubes are lit and it's a series wired set
Maybe the socket has developed a short ? Time to do some more investigating.
__________________
Here are my Vintage Radio & TV YouTube Channel and Photo Gallery

Last edited by bandersen; 04-25-2010 at 05:21 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 04-25-2010, 01:20 AM
bandersen's Avatar
bandersen bandersen is offline
RCA 741PCS
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,101
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Nelson View Post
Fast work. You should stop over here and clean up some of my neglected projects. I have two of these in the waiting line: a metal T-54 that I got last year, and one in the leatherette "luggable" cabinet that a guy gave me because he had too much stuff that doesn't work. Now, I have too much stuff that doesn't work.

I didn't really plan to get all three cabinet styles, but now that I do, it would be fun to (some day) take a photo of the three sets playing together.

Phil
No thanks - I have more than enough projects already
I know what you mean. I have 5 electrostatic Motorola sets and have restored 3 so far. Someday, I hope to do a group photo too.
__________________
Here are my Vintage Radio & TV YouTube Channel and Photo Gallery
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 04-25-2010, 02:34 AM
bandersen's Avatar
bandersen bandersen is offline
RCA 741PCS
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,101
I got it working It turned out the replacement 6X5 wasn't making good contact. A little cleaning of the socket and tube pins took care of that.

Curling anyone ?






I've cleaned all the crud off the knobs. First, hot soapy water. Then, a toothbrush and Brasso. Next, I used a toothpick on stubborn areas. Finally, a little Novus #1. I wonder how long until the crud returns ?
__________________
Here are my Vintage Radio & TV YouTube Channel and Photo Gallery

Last edited by bandersen; 04-26-2010 at 05:19 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 04-25-2010, 09:42 PM
leadlike's Avatar
leadlike leadlike is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lancaster, Pa
Posts: 956
6x5's have a bad reputation in the radio world for being prone to shorting out. Especially in those attractive Zenith consoles of the late 30's that used two of them, they would commonly take out the power transformer when they failed. Perhaps you just had a bad one.

I'd like to know what the rephased tag is in reference to as well. Perhaps it was made in '47 and sat on a shelf until the whole channel one mess was worked out, and then in '49 had the push button for ch. 1 hacked out and put up for sale.
Reply With Quote
Audiokarma
  #66  
Old 04-26-2010, 08:22 AM
marty59's Avatar
marty59 marty59 is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Arlington, Tx
Posts: 915
Not to sidetrack from your post, I make a point of using the 6X5's that have the "X-Plate" style of design, like a 6X4 does.

But I'm sure that 25Vac filament voltage didn't help... I'm glad no damage occured as a result!!
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 04-26-2010, 10:24 AM
Hemingray's Avatar
Hemingray Hemingray is offline
Vintage Geek
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Evening Shade, AR
Posts: 307
I'd love to have one myself, but lack of room kinda stops me
__________________
Death: Man how old is this TV?, You probably get the DuMont network on this thing!
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 04-26-2010, 05:18 PM
bandersen's Avatar
bandersen bandersen is offline
RCA 741PCS
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,101
Quote:
Originally Posted by leadlike View Post
6x5's have a bad reputation in the radio world for being prone to shorting out. Especially in those attractive Zenith consoles of the late 30's that used two of them, they would commonly take out the power transformer when they failed. Perhaps you just had a bad one.

I'd like to know what the rephased tag is in reference to as well. Perhaps it was made in '47 and sat on a shelf until the whole channel one mess was worked out, and then in '49 had the push button for ch. 1 hacked out and put up for sale.
Could be. Notice it says T-54 too. That's the older model I believe.

Quote:
Originally Posted by marty59 View Post
Not to sidetrack from your post, I make a point of using the 6X5's that have the "X-Plate" style of design, like a 6X4 does.

But I'm sure that 25Vac filament voltage didn't help... I'm glad no damage occured as a result!!
SO am I, I hate to think what might have happended if it had a power xfrmr.

I wonder if I should put the dead one back in for appearance sake and install some diodes below. I'd need to stick a resistor in place of the filament too


Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemingray View Post
I'd love to have one myself, but lack of room kinda stops me
They're fairly small - as vintage TVs go anyway. I bet you could squeeze one in
__________________
Here are my Vintage Radio & TV YouTube Channel and Photo Gallery
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 04-26-2010, 07:22 PM
John Marinello's Avatar
John Marinello John Marinello is offline
<-- "Byron"
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Lake Murray, SC
Posts: 1,055
Very nice job.

I have to say that I like the "bubble-headed booby" shot the best.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 04-26-2010, 09:33 PM
bandersen's Avatar
bandersen bandersen is offline
RCA 741PCS
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,101
Thanks!

I uploaded a 10 part video series of this restoration project to YouTube.

Here's part 1

and here's part 10 if you'd just like to see it playing
__________________
Here are my Vintage Radio & TV YouTube Channel and Photo Gallery
Reply With Quote
Audiokarma
  #71  
Old 04-30-2010, 08:39 PM
bandersen's Avatar
bandersen bandersen is offline
RCA 741PCS
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,101
Cleaning and refinshing

Now for the fun part - cleaning and refinishing

I'm using acid follow by Simichrome on the chassis and the speaker frame.






Now the the cabinet. It has a only one bad area where the veneer has separated and chipped.


A little soaking softened up the veneer.


A little glue, wax paper and weight.


It turned out well.


I used a scrapper to get off most of the old finish without damaging the front panel. Sandpaper got rid of the rest.



Now some shellac to fill the grain.


Next up a little stain and lacquer.
__________________
Here are my Vintage Radio & TV YouTube Channel and Photo Gallery
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 05-02-2010, 02:01 AM
bandersen's Avatar
bandersen bandersen is offline
RCA 741PCS
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,101
Using shellac as gain filler work out very well - smooth as glass

Time for some stain. I used Minwax oil based red mahogany.


I'm really happy with the results.


I'll let that dry for a few days then I'm going to use some Deft gloss lacquer.
__________________
Here are my Vintage Radio & TV YouTube Channel and Photo Gallery
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 05-02-2010, 07:35 AM
Reece's Avatar
Reece Reece is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cleona, PA
Posts: 2,178
Good job on that veneer repair. 20,000 volts of ignition transformer weight!
__________________
Reece

Perfection is hard to reach with a screwdriver.
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 05-02-2010, 10:32 AM
electronjohn's Avatar
electronjohn electronjohn is offline
I like....big sparks!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: minnesota
Posts: 620
Once again, kudos for your resto play-by-plays...gives plenty of inspiration!!!
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 05-02-2010, 03:04 PM
peverett peverett is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 883
Banderson, you mentioned the 6SH7 tube in the first part of your video. If you ever need some, I have them. I also have a case of NOS 12SH7 tubes. I think the 12SH7s were originally for some military contract as the box appears to be labeled that way.
Reply With Quote
Audiokarma
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:01 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©Copyright 2012 VideoKarma.org, All rights reserved.