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Old 06-08-2016, 08:46 PM
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The chassis assembly is completed with a handful of electrical connections on the top side of the chassis, to the IF module and power supply filter choke.

The 9 previously completed PCB modules are then installed into their proper locations, and the chassis set aside for final assembly with the rest of the set. These pics are of the top side of the completed chassis, with all modules installed.

Up next, assembling the VHF/UHF tuner cluster and control panel...
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Old 06-08-2016, 10:52 PM
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:12 PM
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Interesting that it uses a HV rect tube.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:29 PM
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Probably has to do with the year it was first available-1969. I don't think there was a reliable solid-state substitute yet.

In 1974 I went to work for Varo Inc. and among the things they manufactured were solid-state high voltage rectifiers and triplers for TVs. By then they were reliable and common.
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:21 PM
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Varo pretty much owned the market on those things, didn't they? I think they were the first to produce them. I agree the 1969 introduction of this model would have been just a bit early for SS. I assume the GR2000 series sets used a solid state HV rect or tripler?

I have an ECG solid state replacement here which I think would work in this set should the 3CU3 ever give problems.
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:28 PM
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Onto the next assembly manual, covering the assembly of the Tuner cluster/Control panel. The manual is divided into 2 sections, and the builder follows the half with or without the remote control option as applicable.

Work starts out as more mechanical assembly. The VHF and UHF tuners come preassembled, and are mounted into a metal subchassis. The tuner drive motor and gearbox get attached, along with numerous terminal strips and a large oil filled capacitor (4 uF, 370V) used for reversing the tuner drive motor. The supplied capacitor was a Sprague "Chlorinol" capacitor, which was a trademark for polychlorinated biphenyl, or PCB. Although the cap looked pristine with no signs of leakage, I replaced it with a modern non-PCB cap to remove the environmental hazard. The new cap fits the original mounting perfectly and looks original to the set. The original cap is safely stored away for the next hazmat collection day.

All the pots get attached to a bracket, which is then mated to the front subpanel and the tuner chassis, completing the mechanical assembly. Because I am installing the remote option, drive motors get installed onto the back side of the color and tint pots to allow remote operation. The UHF and VHF channel indicator dials are backlighted by incandescent lamps, and driven via a small timing belt drive. The VHF fine tuning is driven with a ballchain drive system. 4 pushbutton switches are installed for power, channel up/down, and UHF/VHF select.

The wiring is almost completely prefabricated harnesses, which are quite long and make for a real pain on the bench. The unit ends up with quite a wad of wiring attached.

The final part of the assembly is the stuffing of a small PC board which they call the "UHF" board, but what it really handles is the switching between UHF and VHF tuners, and driving the appropriate dial backlight for the selected band. The board is connected to the chassis via a 15 pin Molex connector which supports the entire board. While Heath sent a 15 pin Molex connector which I dutifully installed, It wasn't until trying to plug the board in that I discovered that the WRONG GENDER of connector shell was supplied! Luckily, I had a proper connector shell, as well as the pin extraction tool to remove the contacts from the supplied shell, and reinsert them into the proper one. The board survived the desoldering and resoldering just fine, and the tuner cluster was completed in 3 bench sessions totaling around 5 hours.
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:30 PM
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More pics.

Up next--Installing the CRT and bringing all the parts together for final assembly!
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I can't wait to see this up and running! Great job!
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:11 AM
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Very interesting thread!

Though, sorry but that remote is ugly as sin! Even for an old ultrasonic remote that thing is just ugly!
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Old 06-14-2016, 01:53 PM
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Great work no question. It's always a pleasure to build a device with your own hands. I built a few custom devices at work and know how much time it takes because I had to drill every hole and crimp every connector by hand. Did you clean the pcbs with spiritus after soldering and count the hour´s it takes? Greetings and good luck!
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:43 PM
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Yes, the remote is pretty fugly. The "thousand island dressing" color scheme doesn't help...

I did clean the modules with flux remover after soldering. I haven't been keeping all that close a count of hours, but 40-45 hours to this point is my best guesstimate, not including the time inventorying the parts, ordering replacements, and related activities.


After installing the CRT into the mask, the 4 sides of the chassis frame/magnetic shield are attached to the mask and bolted together forming a rigid box structure. The dag ground from the CRT assembly is grounded to this frame. The deflection yoke is installed into the "flowerpot" style holder, and installed onto the CRT neck. The completed chassis is hung on its hinges, and the degaussing leads and CRT anode wire are connected, before closing the chassis. I elected to replace the somewhat stiff and degraded anode cap with a nice silicone rubber one salvaged from a discarded BPC set.

After the chassis is installed, the entire framework and tube was thoroughly degaussed (using a real coil, not the dinky external one provided with the kit), and the convergence magnets/coils and blue lateral/purity magnets were installed, along with the CRT socket. The convergence board, tuner cluster, and "Troubleshooter" meter are hung on screws in the framework for the initial test/adjustment procedures, and all the interconnecting cables plugged in.

This completes the assembly of the set! Up next, using the "Troubleshooter" to check for problems, and power gets applied for the first time....
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Old 06-16-2016, 08:05 PM
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Testing begins with a series of testing flowcharts, where the builder uses the provided VOM to make a series of resistance tests to verify that no major shorts or miswiring exists. Tests were made using both the "Troubleshooter" VOM and a DMM (Fluke 87). As Heath gave no specific resistance values, just which area (A-E) the troubleshooter needle should indicate for each test, I noted the actual resistance reading taken with the DMM in my build notes.

You test the AC line circuitry first, checking for continuity and shorts to chassis ground. Then the various main power supply rails are checked for resistance to ground, to rule out shorts or reversed polarity components that might cause damage at powerup. About a dozen tests all together, and all passed with flying colors.

At this point, you preset the brightness, brightness limiter, drive, screen and kine bias controls as specified, and unplug the CRT socket. The set gets connected to 120 vac, and the switch is thrown.....


No bang....

The gentle crackling sound of HV supply coming alive!

No smoke or bad smells...


Back to the testing charts, where measurements are made of cathode, G1 and G2 voltages, and a couple power supply rails. All well within the specs...

An occasional snap/crackle was noted from inside the HV cage and traced to a bit of cardboard packing material that was trapped under the edge of the HV rectifier tube socket.

The set is then powered down, and the CRT socket connected. Ready for "first light" tomorrow night, when my chroma board helper and her mom are dropping by for dinner and to watch this thing come to life. The suspense is killing me...

Not much in the way of pics for this post. I hope some screen shots will be taken tomorrow night....

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Old 06-18-2016, 08:59 PM
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Power applied.

Heaters start warming up, and....

It Lives!!!

First light: June 17, 2016.

After a couple minutes of snapping pictures and sniffing for smoke, I flipped on the built in dot generator and got pretty much what I expected. Could have been cover art for a 60's psychedelic band. Convergence just about as far out as it is possible to be in every direction. Horrible purity, and overall reddish cast with blurry retrace lines, but it makes an image! My visitors seemed puzzled why I was as happy as I was with what we saw. Had to explain the large amount of adjustment and tweaking that needs to be done to a set of this vintage to get everything just right. And that having a picture even this good means that 90% or more of the set is already working properly.

A quick purity setup, static convergence setup and greyscale adjustment produced a nice stable black and white image. A few tweaks of the 3.58 osc and burst phase got a reasonable color image, and tweaking the AGC got it fairly viewable in about 20 minutes.

Today I went through and finessed things in a bit better, and got things as good as the "non instrument" alignment procedure is going to, I think. I plan to follow the full alignment procedure detailed in the final volume of the manual set, and at least verifying that the IF and chroma circuits are lined up. Several coils and traps are left unadjusted when using the simplified procedures, and I think I can squeeze a bit better image out of this thing with a real instrument alignment. Both the color and tint controls have a very limited range of action, right around the center of travel. Color level particularly touchy to set to get reasonable skintones without over or saturation.

It's been a month and a half since I started this journey, and had a great time doing it! Will begin looking for a suitable NOS replacement tube and designing some kind of cabinet for this beast. Any leads or ideas gratefully accepted...
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:00 PM
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