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Old 06-11-2012, 12:42 PM
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Bingo.



The height is actually a little excessive now -- that's as small as I can make it -- and the linearity's not great, but we're back in the running.

Thanks again for the patient advice. This was a long detour, but on the way I learned how to use my BK TV Analyst to substitute drive signals, a trick that may come in handy in future projects.

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Old 06-11-2012, 12:50 PM
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:14 PM
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I'm glad your perseverance payed off.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:24 PM
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Super-techs! Congratulations on overcoming vertical challenges!
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:06 PM
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BOO-YAH!! Houston we have vertical!
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:07 PM
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In the couplates I made, On the one shown, I divided the resistance by 2. Then, I divided the capacitance by three. That value came out to about 0.0012. I found that using 0.001 caps worked fine. I found the values aren't that critical. Then again, Predictas are weird. Anything goes. Nice work, Phil.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:33 AM
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It's sweeping the whole screen, but I don't consider the vertical fixed. It's not very stable, and when the sync is far off, it occasionally blinks to a horizontal line as if something (a shorted turn in the output transformer?) was arcing.

By clipping another cap in parallel with C16 (raising its value a bit), I can reduce the height to nearly fit the whole image on the screen, but still with poor linearity.

The best compromise between height & linearity doesn't seem too awful at first:



Until you look at a pattern:



I could live with that degree of non-linearity, but the instability really ain't acceptable. I'll keep pokin' around.

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Old 06-13-2012, 11:16 PM
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I am happy to hear that the "non-logical" vertical problem had a non-logical cause (the wrong value part); it can happen to any of us. Now you need to re-check the rest of that area because your vertical should definitely have better linearity than in your B&K picture.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:26 AM
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Yes, in further puttering, I returned R55 and C44 (Sams numbers) back to the values given in the Philco docs. I had tried different values for them at various times, including an alternate Sams value. I also swapped amongst my three 6DR7 tubes until I found which one my set likes best. Linearity and vertical lock are both improved.





Then I ran through the horizontal & audio alignment procedures and played the set for a few hours. Nice and stable.

Those pics are from a DVD player, which has a strong signal and tends to swamp some sets. When I switched to the built-in rod antenna, it worked very nicely, receiving the relatively weak signal from my Blonder Tongue modulator on the opposite side of the house.

Not perfect, but I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

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Old 06-14-2012, 02:56 AM
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Excellent progress!
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:44 PM
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After a few more tweaks, I'm declaring this one finished.



Part of the difficulty I had with vertical linearity is that someone had adjusted the vertical centering as far off as it could go (perhaps to compensate for some aging component in the past). With that back in a sensible range, it was a piece of cake to make the vertical correct using the other controls. I always feel better when controls are somewhere in the middlin' range rather than maxed out.

There's an article, too:

http://antiqueradio.org/PhilcoH3412L...Television.htm

In researching, I found Philco's original patent drawing for the tabletop cabinet:



Interesting that the original concept had more knobs on the front, and a slanted control panel.

On to the next project! Thanks again for the advice.

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Old 06-19-2012, 02:09 AM
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Nice job, Phil.
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:01 PM
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And so concludes another neat resto adventure and accompanying write-up. Great job, Phil (as per usual).
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:41 PM
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Thanks, Phil for the invaluable contributions you make to the vintage TV/radio community. Now, if I ever trap a Predicta in the wild I'll know what I'm getting into

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