Found Sony XEL-1

[etype2]

UPDATE, JANUARY 5, 2020
2008
Sony XEL-1 OLED Color Television

We found this Television December 30, 2019. One more to check off our bucket list. This Sony is the world’s first OLED color television. It became available in Japan, December, 2007 and in the United States, April, 2008. It sold for a whopping $2500.00 in limited quantities, about 1000 a month. The XEL-1 was discontinued February, 2010. Unlike LG OLED’s widely available today, this 11 inch display has three active layers of RGB. It accepts full HD signals, but can only display 960 X 540 resolution.

For those old enough to remember the very first Sony Trinitron’s (1968), upon viewing this set for the first time, you will have another ‘Trinitron moment’. The clarity, color depth, contrast, wide angle viewing, all astounding and this was 12 years ago. We take it for granted now.

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[Sandy G]

Oooooh, Lawzy mercy...Again, Sony shows 'em how to do it.. I remember the Trinitron from the almost beginning-My dad brought me home a KV-7010U-Damn, but Marsha Brady looked HAWT on that puppy, & basically Trinitrons made other tvs look like warmed over 1954 technology... This thing may not be quite that good, but I'd have to see a real, LIVE one, & Im NOT gonna rule it out...

[kf4rca]

Be careful. OLED's can burn in!
https://www.zdnet.com/article/lg-ole...-show-burn-in/

[Popester]

Very cool Marshall. Sony still dazzles me.

[etype2]

Grab one if you can find one. I got lucky, my XEL-1 looks to be new.

I have an LG E8 (2018). I purchased it Feb; 2019. So far no sign of burn in. My set has four anti burn in remedies. 1, Pixel refresher, 2, Screen shift, 3, Logo luminance adjustment and an algorithm that detects static logos and dims the image.

Sony makes good stuff, a fan since 1962. I watched Sony launch the XEL-1 back in 2008, as always Sony was the innovator with this set, but no way was I going to spend 2.5K for an 11 inch set. I was expecting great things OLED from Sony and what happened? Sony had a downturn and lost technology innovation with television to the Koreans. Now Sony uses OLED panels from LG.

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[SpaceAge]

The CT-100 of the 2000s... tiny screen and enormous price tag. I like it.

[jhalphen]

Hi to All,

The Sony XEL-1 is an unusual & rare TV, the first OLED consumer product to come to market in 2009, therefore highly desirable.

As probably many of you, i have been watching the only XEL-1 listed on E-Bay USA. Over a period of 3 months, this item has been cancelled for no reason given in spite of legit bidding and winning bidders 8 TIMES ! and is now relisted for a 9th time. Previous insulting caption removed.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28382935657...m=283829356571

7th relisting :
https://www.ebay.com/itm/28382935657...m=283829356571

8th relisting :
https://www.ebay.com/itm/28383471101...m=283834711015

9th relisting! (yawn) :
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-XEL-1-...UAAOSwTpheQhRj

The pattern is always the same : either the auction finishes too low to the seller's taste so it is cancelled & relisted. When the opposite happens & no bidders ---> relists. In the seller's ratings it can be seen that it has happened before with other items.

I am surprised that the 8 previous winners, denied of their rightful ownership to the item won have not taken action with E-Bay to make this disgraceful & flagrant breach of E-Bay's selling rules stop.
I cannot, having not bid even once on the item.

Best Regards
jhalphen

PS : time to start bets on how many relistings this itemis going to reach !

[etype2]

I have been watching this auction Jerome referenced even though I won an XEL-1, the subject of my thread. Jerome is correct, the seller relisted 7 times. The first listing was legitimately won for under $500.

If this seller is allowed to get away with this, it ruins other buyers chances to get one at a decent price. Price gouging is prohibited by EBay. See “report item” on the listing. I can tell you I won my XEL-1 at a tiny fraction of this outrageous price. Please report this seller.

[JohnCT]

Originally Posted by kf4rca

Be careful. OLED's can burn in!
https://www.zdnet.com/article/lg-ole...-show-burn-in/

Let me tell you guys a story...

OLEDs do burn in, well, not really burn-in like an early plasma, but more of a decay of output for each color OLED - the blue fading quicker than the rest.

Here's the interesting part. One of the guys in our associating had an OLED come in for repair, and they found the control boar that drives the display bad. This TV was out of warranty, and the manufacturer wouldn't sell the control board separately - it was only available with a new display. A new display of course cost more than the TV did.

So, the repair shop just picked up a "re-certified" board (used) and installed it. When turned on, he noticed the logo of a news network prominently "burned" in the display (or so he thought). There were also other border lines and streaks indicative of a burned display. The customer picked up the TV and called back complaining about the image burned into the screen. The repair shop told him it must have been there before they worked on it, and the customer said they didn't even HAVE that news network on their cable.

So, they ordered another control board and that one had different marks on the screen!

So, what actually happens is that the blue OLED phosphors decay at a much higher rate than the red and green, so the control board keeps a "toteboard" of how long each pixel was run and at what intensity. It then ups the drive for the individual pixels that have been run more as the TV ages. This strategy hides the phosphor decay. This isn't a problem unless the control board fails or the memory on the board dumps.

I don't know if the memory chip can be moved to a replacement board as in this case, the manufacturer got involved and worked a buy-back deal on the TV.

John

[jhalphen]

Hi to all,

I have an XEL-1 as a daily watcher (+/- 3 hours) since 2012 and have noticed no visible hue shift/banding in any color.
Maybe tied to Sony's Top Emission OLED technology, i don't know.
True, i do not watch CNN, Fox or channels with proeminent logos/banners.
Our Euro channels have discrete logos.

I also have no experience with large size (45" & up) made by LG, Samsung, etc.

I would like to point out that Sony currently sells something like 7 OLED models in its Broadcast product lineup. Television Broadcast engineers would surely not accept to spend multi-K$ on display devices exhibiting color inaccuracy & drift and not maintain performance for several thousand hours.
Trinitrons were a legend in their heyday and Sony has to keep up that good reputation.

https://pro.sony/fr_FR/products/broa.../lmd-a220-v3.0

just my 2 cents....

Best Regards
jhalphen

[etype2]

Originally Posted by JohnCT

Let me tell you guys a story...

OLEDs do burn in, well, not really burn-in like an early plasma, but more of a decay of output for each color OLED - the blue fading quicker than the rest.

Here's the interesting part. One of the guys in our associating had an OLED come in for repair, and they found the control boar that drives the display bad. This TV was out of warranty, and the manufacturer wouldn't sell the control board separately - it was only available with a new display. A new display of course cost more than the TV did.

So, the repair shop just picked up a "re-certified" board (used) and installed it. When turned on, he noticed the logo of a news network prominently "burned" in the display (or so he thought). There were also other border lines and streaks indicative of a burned display. The customer picked up the TV and called back complaining about the image burned into the screen. The repair shop told him it must have been there before they worked on it, and the customer said they didn't even HAVE that news network on their cable.

So, they ordered another control board and that one had different marks on the screen!

So, what actually happens is that the blue OLED phosphors decay at a much higher rate than the red and green, so the control board keeps a "toteboard" of how long each pixel was run and at what intensity. It then ups the drive for the individual pixels that have been run more as the TV ages. This strategy hides the phosphor decay. This isn't a problem unless the control board fails or the memory on the board dumps.

I don't know if the memory chip can be moved to a replacement board as in this case, the manufacturer got involved and worked a buy-back deal on the TV.

John

I do not dispute your burn in recollections and I to have heard the same, but it must be noted that since 2012 LG has been using WOLED. They only use a white OLED with RGB filters, so there is no blue OLED pixel to burn out nor red and green.

The blue life was talked about in 2008 and I suspect the burn in problems were on Samsung OLED televisions which has since abandoned OLED televisions. Today, virtually all the manufacturers are using LG WOLED panels and in my previous post, I explain why burn in is no longer a problem. Now if you run a set 24/7, never turn it off on the same channel, you may get burn in. I watch CNN a lot with it’s incumbent static logos and I attest that I’ve not experienced burn in on my 2018 LG E8 now over a year old.