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Old 12-22-2017, 07:51 PM
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Wanting to tap the rgb port

Hello,

First time poster here. I was referred from the Facebook group the CRT Collective. It's a 1989 Zenith System 3 Digital.

I bought this tv from a fellow member there and it has an rgb port on back. I was wondering if anyone knew how or what is needed to use it. I'll include some pics. Any help appreciated
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Old 12-22-2017, 09:40 PM
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I'd assume it'd be for connecting one of them new-fangled 'personal computors,' especially since the next one over says Text Print. But it's quite odd that it's a card edge connector. I'd imagine it uses a fairly standard VGA style signal, but I have no idea. Look up at the connector from the bottom and see how many pins it has. I'd wager 10.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:16 PM
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Sweet set! Love the lighted keypad. A service manual should have the info you need.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:20 PM
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Any clue where I could find one of those manuals?

I was hoping to see what all the rgb hype was all about. I have a snes I was wanting to hook up.

I'll try and get a closer look and see how many pins there are.

Also I aplolgize, I did not realize the pictures posted in the orientation they did.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:31 PM
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Even though it's a digital TV, I'm sure it's an analog input. Zenith was big into PCs at the time and had a proprietary cable to plug in.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:33 PM
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I'm guessing that the text print port means that this set has a Teletext decoder.

I can't recall what the RGB port would be on these. There's a good possibility it's not compatible with anything current; for example, it could be TTL logic levels.

Maybe somebody who knows for sure will chime in.
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Old 12-23-2017, 09:41 AM
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I'm guessing that the text print port means that this set has a Teletext decoder.

I can't recall what the RGB port would be on these. There's a good possibility it's not compatible with anything current; for example, it could be TTL logic levels.

Maybe somebody who knows for sure will chime in.
One of the people that worked in the same place I did had one of those sets and he even bought the printer that was available for that set.
He was the biggest toy and trinket buyer, I ever knew!
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Old 12-23-2017, 10:13 AM
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Wow yours still has a sweet pix. When they came out the table
model was $1100 & we sold it $1000 with a free printer.
Teletext was just a newspaper format & also used by truckers to
find loads. It was sent by the Atlanta superstation on cable.
The set was NTSC. After video & audio detect everything was digitally
processed then back to analog for the outputs. I dont remember
the RGB but probably TTL. Look for an owners manual, OEM service
manual, training manual or Tech Topics for more on it.

One thing I would do to this set is recap ( lytics only) the vert board. A bad
cap will blow the IC. The IC has been disco for YEARS.........

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Old 12-23-2017, 10:33 AM
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:16 AM
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I'm guessing that the text print port means that this set has a Teletext decoder.

I can't recall what the RGB port would be on these. There's a good possibility it's not compatible with anything current; for example, it could be TTL logic levels.

Maybe somebody who knows for sure will chime in.
I have a Zenith SMS1917SG 19" table model TV (new in 1995) which has a Teletext decoder, but no printer port or RGB port. I never used the decoder, although I might have seen teletext activity through that system had I been in the Atlanta area. I think WTBS-TV (channel 17) in that city was experimenting with teletext in the late 1980s-early '90s. The teletext decoder in my Zenith TV has two modes, Text 1 and Text 2, selectable from an onscreen menu; I think text 1 was standard teletext, but I am not sure what the second TT option would have been used for. In any event, since my area's TV stations were not conducting teletext tests or using the system at all (I doubt they were), I never knew if the TT decoder in my set worked or not.

While my set has the teletext option in the OSD menu, however, I am not sure if the decoder would have been usable since there are no RGB or printer ports on the back of the set; the only input jack there is a 75-ohm connector for antenna or cable TV. Since the set has no RGB or printer ports, I can't help but wonder why the TV had a teletext decoder in the first place, unless it was designed only for on-screen readout, the RGB/printer ports were available as extra-cost options, or if there was a special model of this TV that indeed had the ports built in.
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Old 12-23-2017, 12:12 PM
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Thank you all so much for the responses. Looks like there are 7 pins on that edge connector from what I can see. I will also certainly look into a recap, don't want anything happening to this ole thing. It seems to work well. Not sure how hard or how much it was used. But I'm pry correct in assuming this was zenith top end back in that time, yes?
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Teletext use was expected to mainly be on-screen, with printing used infrequently, much like a modern internet service. In Chicago, where Zenith was located, the service from Atlanta was broadcast. For a while, there was a long-haul trucking jobs listing service, and it was intended that teletext receivers would be installed at major truck stops so independent truckers could bid/apply for runs (I'm not sure exactly how it worked). Another service was intended for home use and had things like news summaries, horoscopes, recipe of the day, and so on. I had a Zenith rear projo with Teletext at home, and would call the service sometimes to request a particular recipe to be posted, or answer the day's puzzle. The broadcasts in Chicago also contained test pages of repeating characters that made the clock recovery particularly difficult. One of these was titled something like "Page for Gary." Gary was an engineer at Zenith working on Teletext. The page stayed up long after the attempts at commercial service died, until Teletext was removed entirely.

PS: Teletext coding was at a low data rate, intended to be relatively ghost-resistant without requiring a ghost correction circuit in the receiver.
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:55 PM
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Thank you all so much for the responses. Looks like there are 7 pins on that edge connector from what I can see. I will also certainly look into a recap, don't want anything happening to this ole thing. It seems to work well. Not sure how hard or how much it was used. But I'm pry correct in assuming this was zenith top end back in that time, yes?
Zenith , Sony & RCA were considered the best by most.
IIRC the digital chip set was made by ITT. I have seen it used. also in Toshiba,
& NEC sets. Also probably was in MGA & Panasonic but I have only seen the
manuals. Zenith by far built the most of them. It came in 19" or 20"
( dont remember which ) 27" & projo's. Also some had Bose audio
& there was an amp only option. Awsome sound !

Yup it was WTBS that carried text. Zenith also owned a Chicago UHF
but I would guess that was sold off years before.

JEFFHS.
Your set is interesting. The model hints at it being an institutional set.
Also 19" was rare then. If you ever can we would LOVE to see some pixs
of it & nudies.

73 Zeno
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