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Old 06-23-2020, 06:44 PM
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A Win for All: 4:3 OLED TVs

Anyone owning or planning to own an OLED TV surely appreciates their uniquely stunning black level performance, a must for noir genre movie fans. On a related topic, perhaps 55% or more of your favorites were probably shot in 1.85:1 aspect, so the horizontal bars you see shouldn’t be too thick on your standard 16:9 OLED. Some recent movies and some old classics like “2001: A Space Odyssey”, “Sound of Music”, “Three Women”, “Ben Hur” and “Hud” were shot in 2.35: 1. Consequently, they will all have thicker horizontal bars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(image)

Everyone hates bars but it’s much worse for many cinephiles like me who also enjoy movies released prior to the mid-50s. Many of those, both “A” and “B” pictures, were filmed in 1.37:1 aspect, such as
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038559...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042039...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036775...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038355...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057207...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048261...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023245...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044314...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043131...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041954...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0187684...ref_=ttfc_sa_5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034587...ref_=ttfc_sa_5

Ditto for decades of vintage movies (TV shows from the early 60s (Perry Mason) to the mid-90s (X-Files).

4:3 content on a 65” OLED, even in a somewhat dimly lit room, will be displayed with more annoyingly THICKER bars-and a comparatively smaller image-on a widescreen TV, than the horizontal bars of content wider than 1.85:1 aspect. And f you’re like me the experience soon becomes unbearable. And stretching Perry & Della ( https://jtsdigs.com/blog/2019/3/13/t...ss-examination) or cropping Gilda’s hat (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038559...er/rm812014336 ) or Scully’s https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/4f...a2cf9add81.jpg ¬¬) to fill a widescreen
OLED is unthinkable.

Accelerated Pixel Aging Differential

If enduring a 4:3 image's thicker black bars on a widescreen TV isn't bad enough, owners manuals from Sony, LG and all OLED TV brands literally warn you not to watch them at all. Because the thicker the bars the more pixels inside them will be turned off, versus those turned on between the bars. Thus, over time the pixels between the bars will age and grow dimmer faster then those within the vertical bars-which may become more evident when watching widescreen content. And among all aspect ratios that will have the thicker bars, 4:3 content is the most common. Thus, the best solution is for users to purchase a 4:3 OLED. Viewing full length 4:3 and 16:9 movies and TV shows on their 4:3 and widescreen TV, respectively, will minimize differential pixel aging and also minimize or eliminate horizontal and vertical bars to boot!

Typical Installation

Most enthusiasts would have no issues installing the 4:3 OLED in a room apart from their widescreen OLEDs; analogous to how audiophiles have more than one sound system in their homes-aware that certain playlists tend to sound better through different speakers. And as most 4:3 content has no multichannel audio, users would likely just add a simple space saving two channel system. The OLED wouldn’t even need to be a Smart TV; users can connect a laptop via HDMI for web surfing.

CRTs and Other Inferior Alternatives

Consequently, as no 4:3 TVs are being at all, many of us are compelled to watch this “pillarboxed” 4:3 content on CRT TVs. Picture quality is not too bad and CRTs have excellent OLED-like contrast ratio. But except for a 40” direct view CRT which Sony once released about 17” years ago, virtually all CRTs are a painfully small 32”, less than half the area of 65” widescreen TVs. And the best of performing CRTs (flat CRT, component video inputs) are becoming impossible to find, and to get serviced. The same for refrigerator sized rear projection CRTs, which while some had 50” screens picture quality couldn’t match that of direct view CRTs. And though direct view projectors can deliver high contrast ratios and large 4:3 images many of the better models cost at least $5,000. and may present placement problems for some users.

The obvious solution is to appeal to select TV brands to market a 4:3 OLED TV, size ~ 47” to 50”.

Unfortunately, as much of the CE industry is closely tied to Hollywood, it’s not surprising that cutthroat aspects of that business reflects indifference towards consumer opinions and expectations, at least among the major TV brands, all of whom no longer accept consumer feedback at their websites. Indeed, "apparent” demand might have grown substantially larger if cinephiles hadn’t given up in disgust with asking OLED brands to release 4:3 TVs. Again, except for perhaps Pioneer, most of the majors are deaf to consumer requests, save perhaps from what they glean from their own prognostications. And try finding their marketing VPs’ contact info to share new product ideas; good luck with that.

However, I am about to begin proposing this new product to several other approachable brands.

While demand for a 4:3 OLED may not be huge it is certainly vibrant and long lived. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...uff-4-3-a.html

Additionally, there still are communities at AVS and at other home theater forums devoted to long defunct direct view CRT TVs, of course which are almost exclusively 4;3. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/64-di...-crt-displays/ And here only two months ago members are still calling to bring CRTs back into production, as they have for years. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/64-di...ine-again.html

And it’s well known among videophiles that CRTs, plasmas and OLEDs share very similar performance levels-unmatched by any existing display technology. But as Anthony1 from the first AVS link suggested, many CRT fans would instantly embrace a space saving flat panel 40” or larger 4:3 OLED TV.

Thus, a good sized 4:3 OLED is the way to go to view the substantial amounts of 4:3 content found in many home theater collections-and ideally with a processor at least nearly as good as Sony’s to upscale DVD and BD content.

Legacy Analog Video Connectivity

Whatever the reasons for the CE industry’s imposed Analog Sunset, it unfairly
deprives cinephiles of enjoying their often feature packed Denon, Marantz, Pioneer and other high end DVD players. Sony includes one (1) composite input, though most inconveniently placed on the side of their A9G OLED (presumably just for camcorder playbacks)-but which is unsightly and would require longer cable runs from the TV to the DVD player.

But all high end DVD players have component video outputs. And as that connection yields the highest quality analog signal it likely will make it easier for the OLED’s processor to upscale the DVD video signal.

Furthermore, virtually no currently produced BD players have zoom control-a highly prized viewing tool among cinephiles. I was badly upset that my otherwise excellent Oppo BDP-95 has only partial zoom control; it doesn’t allow you to reposition and center a desired part of the zoomed image on the screen. My new Pioneer UDP-LX500 BD player and the discontinued Arcam 411p are about the only BD players which can. But virtually all DVD players have this advanced zoom control functionality, like my trusty JVC XV-NA70BK.

Cinephiles have long been victimized by the Blu-Ray Assn for mandating Oracle’s BD-J disc authoring-which by default or deliberately locks out zoom and sometimes also slow motion features-and forces compliance upon BD player brands. But all DVDs are free of these oppressive restrictions that rob consumers of the freedom to enjoy as they please the products they purchase. Advanced zoom and slow motion controls are invaluable viewing tools allowing cinephiles more intimate viewing and appreciation of select scenes. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...9#post17681489

Sadly, few if any DVD players have an HDMI output. Thus, all OLED TVs should include component video inputs-or at the very least a rear mounted composite and/or S-video input. While hardly a deal breaker for today's consumer, all OLED TV brands can be assured that adding at least some minimal analog video connectivity to the proposed 4:3 OLED will further endear this long awaited niche product to the home theater enthusiast community.

Pixel Count and DVD/BD Upscaling

All currently produced OLED TVs have 4K resolution; the pixel count being roughly four times that of the LCD or LED panels used to build earlier 1080p displays. So unless the 4:3 OLED TV has a high quality on board upscaling processor-like the one in Sony’s A9G OLED-the 1080p BD or 480i DVD content displayed on 4K OLED panels may likely fill only a small part of the screen. Alternately, it’s worth considering that while these processors generally do a good job, since most users would only be watching 4:3 content on a this 4:3 display, if it was instead a 1080 rather 4K OLED, BDs would be shown in their native 1080p scale; only DVDs would need to be upscaled. Of course, there currently are no consumer OLED brands making 4:3 OLEDs; nor are there any 1080 widescreen OLEDs.

Ultimately, only each TV brand would know how the economics of OLED panels with 1080 vs. 4K pixel counts would impact their own production of 4:3 OLED TVs. But if they stay with 4K pixels, Pioneer or those brands below should aim to design the ~ 40” to 50” 4K 4:3 TV’s OLED TV around the best upscaling processor within the niche market price point, perhaps ~$2200. or so. The high quality upscaling of 1080p BDs and DVDs (source formats still probably most common among collectors of vintage movies and TV shows) will allow viewers to sit at a comfortable distance.

Fortunately, as OLED technology has now matured the overall cost of making these TVs today has fallen substantially, thus volume sales risks versus tooling costs may be comfortably low-even when marketing lower volume 4K 4:3 OLED TVs with advanced upscaling, the same full featured remotes found in popular 16:9 widescreen OLEDs-and the added component video inputs.

Regarding OLED panels, though LG is likely still the sole supplier this firm may be helpful in getting 4:3 TVs built as cheaply as possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer...ay_Corporation

And there are now numerous OLED panel fabricators. Perhaps these and others are supplying Chinese OLED TV brands listed below, and who may already be selling OLED TVs in North America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._manufacturers https://www.oled-info.com/companies-...play-producers

Again, regarding demand, even if there are conservatively just ~ 10,000 members among the most prominent home theater forums expressing interest in owning 4:3 OLEDs, the number of consumers actually wanting one could be well beyond 10 to 50 times as much. Demand could easily be tested with runs of 7,000 units or so. And if Pioneer or Chinese brand OLEDs can perform nearly as good as Sony and LG models, and/or for a somewhat lower price, sales may grow higher.

Finally, given the still extant global pandemic lockdown with so many people staying close to home, a 40” or larger 4:3 OLED will make big chunks of one’s vintage personal movie and TV collection look their best.

I will first be approaching Pioneer, as I especially hope it will be they who agree to market this product.

As it is with high end audio gear, niche markets drive a very substantial percentage of the A/V hardware industry. Indeed, one among countless examples is Pioneer, who currently markets only one high end home theatre product, arguably the best full featured BD player in its price class, and clearly a niche market item.
https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...yers/UDP-LX500 And if Pioneer’s 4:3 OLEDs were to impress like their Kuro plasmas had for years they would almost certainly corner the market for this item.

But depending on Pioneer’s interest, I may then approach several Chinese OLED TV brands which now or soon will be serving the US market.
https://www.cnet.com/news/ces-2020-c...ter-us-market/

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300974574.html

Huawai’s website shows numerous offices throughout the US. Some even post the contact info of their marketing directors at their websites. And unlike the majors, these newcomers welcome consumer feedback.
https://www.sharptvusa.com/contact/
http://www.konka.com.hk/Contact/
https://skyworthusa.com/contact/
https://e.huawei.com/us/how-to-buy/contact-us
https://www.hisense-usa.com/contact/
https://support.tclusa.com/contactus...our%20question

https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...eer/Contact+Us
https://pioneerassets.com/contact
https://pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/...sident+and+COO


Bottom Line: If you don’t ask you don’t get. So for those who have long awaited 4:3 OLEDs please express your requests at the feedback/contact pages of the above brands’ websites.

But for the reasons given, please begin with Pioneer.

And please consider expressing your interest for 4:3 OLED TVs and what you’re doing to make them happen tom’shardware.com, hometheaterforum.com, AVSforum.doc, CNET.com, AVforums.com, Blu-Rayforum.com, et al.

Please do it today!

DISCLAIMER: Though it would be nice to receive credit for helping to make 4:3 OLED TVs a reality, I am in no way seeking any kind of monetary compensation, nor am I employed by the CE industry. For me, it’s all about the joys of home theater.

ALSO: I spent way more time than I wanted to putting this thing together, but was compelled to take great care in explaining in detail, and details count in places like this. Even so, when posting this at other forums at least half the replies were useless questions and comments, sometimes tinged with hostilities, largely due to inaccurate and/or incomplete understanding of what I wrote. My replies in turn were mostly paraphrases of what I had first posted. Admittedly, there’s a lot of text to keep track of. So after carefully reading it all you may want to bang out a few notes on the side before replying.
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Old 06-24-2020, 11:39 AM
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Meh I already replied to this on Tapeheads.

http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread....#post775455847
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