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Old 02-28-2016, 01:45 AM
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The BBC is the very essence of Socialism; it used to be Capitalist until a brutal government takeover in 1926.
You'll find that the British Broadcasting Company became the British Broadcasting Corporation under the CONSERVATIVE government of Stanley Baldwin.

Suggest you also read Briggs, Volume 1 pp327 et seq for a greater understanding of this period of BBC history.
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..British Broadcasting Corporation under the CONSERVATIVE government of Stanley Baldwin..
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Your clan are quite the rebels for even thinking of shafting Auntie Beebe.
I felt quite guilty when my cousin got done as I gave him my old TV when he came back from Australia, I never thought to tell him he needed a licence for it..
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....I gave him my old TV ..
It's a triumph of Capitalism that a good TV can now be bought for half a year's licence fees
that pay slobs on 6 & 7-figure salaries in the corrupt Socialist BBC.

Let's say a thrifty student in a dorm buys a cheap TV and naturally wants to tune across the channels.
He's already broken the law by connecting a piece of wire to the Belling-Lee connector on the back panel.
But with no wire he's okay.
Idea: Remove the back cover and run an internal short [UHF] piece of wire!
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Sigh. If only there were a some sort of political forum where this angst would find a happy home...

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Sigh. If only there were a some sort of political forum where this angst would find a happy home...

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I have to agree that it is tiring listening to a fellow American ranting about a British institution. The BBC may be a wacky organization, but ranting against it after most conversation has faded on a niche site that caters to a primarily American audience serves little more purpose than randomly shouting into a cave. If you want to bug the beebe/talk to people who care about this perhaps you would be better served finding a British site dedicated to the BBC.

Part of me has been considering locking this thread, but I think that would be a bit too heavy handed at this point...
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Well I've found it interesting and learned more about early 20th century Socialism and its connection to media.

Even Milwaukee was run by Socialists at the time of the formation of the BBC!
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Funny if you read Briggs, he describes how in 1925 none other than David Sarnoff visited John Reith the Managing Director of the British Broadcasting Company to study the funding model. You see in those days, it was thought crass to have selling on the airwaves.

The tide changed when RCA acquired the AT&T station WEAF in 1926 when NBC began. Then William Paley stepped into the picture and US broadcasting was forever changed.

As a crown corporation, the BBC maintained government independence, followed capitalist principles and yet secured a funding model which to this day eliminated crass and annoying on air advertising. It is a matter of culture, not socialism vs capitalism.
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The reason the TV licence is so unpopular here is compulsion, as Centralradio says it's cheaper than a US cable TV subscription. But no one in the USA is forced to have cable, over the air TV through an antenna is free. Over the air antenna TV in England is not free, even if you never watch the BBC you are forced to pay for it. Bit like doing your shopping in Albertsons & having to pay Walmart some money as well..
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..Crown corporation..BBC..eliminated crass and annoying on air advertising. It is a matter of culture..
Voluntary subscription - HBO, A&E.. - can also offer advertising-free.
It's a False Dilemma to imply Government needs to get involved.
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Old 03-04-2016, 08:18 PM
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The reason the TV licence is so unpopular here is compulsion, as Centralradio says it's cheaper than a US cable TV subscription. But no one in the USA is forced to have cable, over the air TV through an antenna is free. Over the air antenna TV in England is not free, even if you never watch the BBC you are forced to pay for it. Bit like doing your shopping in Albertsons & having to pay Walmart some money as well..
I understand what you mean but some TV viewers here including me in the states now have no choice but get cable to receive channels since the new DTV coverage is useless to them.Went from all local channels down to nothing here.Thats why I'm hot about it.If they did more studying with reception and crank up the power or better transmitting antennas and built TV sets with better tuners .I wont be fussing about it.Again Thanks to the telecommunications corps for screwing up everything for us and make the wireless freaks happy.
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Old 03-05-2016, 06:06 AM
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Heard about terrestrial DTV coverage not covering areas that were covered by terrestrial analogue TV in the USA. In UK the terrestrial DTV (Freeview) coverage is if anything even better than the analogue terrestrial TV coverage was, in the few areas where they cant get good DTV reception (we couldn't get a good DTV signal in Norfolk in the caravan) they use Freesat or Free-cable instead as that carries most of the Freeview channels. A lot of people in nearby European Countries have Freesat. I myself have Freeview & Free-cable from the phone/broadband company (Virgin Media)...
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:07 AM
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Voluntary subscription - HBO, A&E.. - can also offer advertising-free.
It's a False Dilemma to imply Government needs to get involved.
Yes, I agree. That is why terrestrial broadcast is still successful in Europe and Asia and is such a mess in the US and Canada. The North American governments should listen more to the public interests rather than selected business groups.
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:29 AM
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Just a thought. Is there anything like Freesat or Free-cable in USA? Or do you always have to pay a subscription? When I was in USA (Miami) 20'odd years ago I had a rabbit ears antenna on top of the TV, almost perfect pictures (apart from a bit of ghosting) on the VHF channels, all UHF ones were fuzzy..
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Just a thought. Is there anything like Freesat or Free-cable in USA? Or do you always have to pay a subscription? When I was in USA (Miami) 20'odd years ago I had a rabbit ears antenna on top of the TV, almost perfect pictures (apart from a bit of ghosting) on the VHF channels, all UHF ones were fuzzy..
Nothing is free in North America except over the air. And even then the content is mostly mind numbing and is riddled with advertising. And to add to the discomfort, most North American viewers accept the model of paying a provider (satellite or cable) to allow them to watch the increased advertising dribble.

The number of minutes of advertising has progressive gone up and the quality of programming has gone down. This is because there is less advertising revenue to go around. In the old days a successful program had a 60% or more market share. Today a smash hit is anything above 5% if that. The television world has changed whereas the US revenue model has not.

That is why I believe the revenue model in the UK is still okay. OTA choice may be limited but there is still better stuff to be found to watch on the BBC and ITV channels and no advertising on the BBC.
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