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Issue with GE "Portacolor III"
This set's been a real thorn in my side, so I posted to the classifieds looking for a set to swap parts with, and it turns out there were actually a lot of sets that used the same chassis, only problem is they are apparently unobtanium. Anyways, my scope is saying I'm not getting any video out of the IF amp ic, (nte1545) but I've replaced it twice, and still no signal. It's got the classic "clean" raster (no snow) symptom of a bad detector, and when I inject composite video into the first video amp, there's no black and white video, just color. I suspect this is because composite is 1v peak to peak and the amp expects 2v. I've ordered another replacement IF amp chip, as the other two were old stock. I'm a little perplexed at this point, as I don't see how two IF amp chips were bad, although they were from the same seller.
Attached is a pic of this section of the schematic. The little numbers scribbled on the chip are voltage readings I took, and you probably can't read them as the file size was reduced, but the only thing of note was that pin 3 was supposed to be .7v, but is 4.5v, and I can't figure out why. |
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Pin3 would vary with R150 setting AGC. Try cranking on R150.
But I'd re-solder the entire area first.
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Resolder all of the griplets first from the top of the PCB. Usually if
griplets are the problem you can rap the chassis and make it come & go. Beyond that measure voltages & waveforms again. Since you have color & sync you know there is composite inside the IC. 73 Zeno LFOD ! |
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I have actually run a wire through all of the 50 odd griplets that act as vias... I re-soldered every joint in the IF amp area, and there is still basically no signal coming out of pin 5, (if there is, than it's like .005v pp) If I bang and bop the set, or rap on the board, it seems pretty consistent in it's current state. When I turn the agc control (r150) pin 3 actually goes from 5.27v to 5.44v and seems very consistent, just 5 volts high...
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Do you know for sure that the tuner is working?
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Actually, no. I don't really know how to "test" the output of a tuner, I know it takes RF and turns it into IF, but I don't know how "check" for IF, (I don't have a sweep generator, or a "tuner subber") But I guess that's what "snow" actually is, the output of a tuner without a signal. Maybe the tuner isn't putting out the IF it should be, and so the IF amp chip has nothing to modulate? That being said, I took the IF output from the tuner of a working set that I have and jumpered it to the tuner input of this set, and there's still no video signal. Although, I'm not sure if you can just use another tv as a "tuner subber", as I just used the output and ground of the other tv's tuner.
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Having thought about it, I took the output of the broken set's tuner (hooked up to dvd player) and jumpered it to the working set's tuner input, and the signal doesn't look half bad, a little lossy, but alligator clip leads across the bench don't help, so.... I think the tuner works.
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If it's easy to get to without help, I'll check it out and PM you in a few days. I'm glad I quit the repair business 30 or so years ago. I don't miss those headaches. |
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Thanks! Whether you find it or not I appreciate the gesture
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Yes, actually. Only colors, no black and white information at all. If I put on a b/w show, nothing shows up. If I put on something with colors and b/w video, only the colors appear, and only when I crank the color control all the way up. So basically, all I see are highly saturated colors, and everything that should be b/w on the screen isn't even lit. I'm thinking it's because it's not getting the 2v peak to peak video signal it needs at test point 3, as of now it's only getting a 200mv peak to peak signal. Test point 3 comes after the first video amp, but I'm assuming the first video amp (Q200) should already be getting a 2v pp video signal out of pin 12 (I said pin 5 last time by accident) of the IF amp IC.(IC120) Also, contrast control does nothing, which makes sense because it is right on Q215, the fourth video amp.
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check your delay line
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You may try lifting pin 12 & see if you get 1-2V P-P of video on the
pin. You could also try hooking in composite video at TP 6 from a DVD. Just be sure to use isolation ! I just dont see having a run of bad ICs but its not impossible. If it were an expensive power pack then I would suspect bootleg Chi-Comm crap. 73 Zeno LFOD ! |
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Just for good measure, I replaced the IF amp IC again, this one was a completely different brand and seller, and it does the same thing. Pulled pin 12 and there was just a flat line all the way down to the 100mv range. The thing is, when I inject a composite video signal straight to the video amp, It basically does the same thing with it's color situation, but I just assumed this was because composite is only 1v pp and the circuit expects 2v pp.
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It measures around 60~ ohms or so, with no shorts to the 22v rail.
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You should have seen something. Its probably not a problem with the IF amp.
Hope you put a socket in there. Lets back up. Do you have ALL your supply voltages?
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