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NowhereMan 1966 05-03-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffhs (Post 1817827)
That's interesting. I never had that kind of interference, even at night, when I would listen to WWWE back in the '70s-'80s in suburban Cleveland, and certainly never before then when 3WE (as the station was known in the '70s before they went to news-talk) was a music station. However, I guess that's because WWWE (now WTAM) is a local station to the Cleveland area; the signal anywhere in the metropolitan area is strong enough to override any interference from any other station on the frequency. But when you're listening from out of town, it can be and very often is anyone's guess what may come in with the signal you're trying to listen to.

I haven't listened to Youngstown's WKBN for years (I can hear it here fairly well most of the time), but was certainly unaware that any Cuban station could be heard underneath their 5kW signal. The Cuban station must be running a blockbuster signal if it can be heard in the Pittsburgh area, almost like the high-power unregulated "blowtorch" stations in Mexico, across the border from Phoenix, Arizona. However, the latter have made a shambles of the AM broadcast band in that area after sunset, except for a few news-talk and sports stations; at least in greater Pittsburgh, the interference to WKBN you're getting doesn't seem to be a constant problem. Again, it's likely due to the fact that you're listening to WKBN from outside their normal listening area. I honestly don't think that station's listeners in the greater Youngstown area have interference problems from any other signal; if they did, I'm sure the FCC would have heard about it long ago. I don't recall offhand how far Pittsburgh is from Youngstown, but if it's any appreciable distance, the AM radio signals from the latter may be and likely are far weaker in your area than they would be in the immediate Youngstown area.

While not nearly as common as long-distance AM reception, a similar condition can occur with FM radio under the proper conditions. I'm sure you may have heard FM repeaters or FM broadcast stations from other parts of Pennsylvania or even northeastern/eastern Ohio during temperature inversions and other unusual weather conditions; around here, 35 miles east of Cleveland and one mile (more or less) from the southern shore of Lake Erie, I often hear standard FM radio stations from Canada (southwestern Ontario), Detroit, Toledo, Ohio and even Youngstown and Erie, Pennsylvania, as well as the local FM stations from Cleveland. When the conditions are right, the FM radio dial in this area just lights up with stations, especially on my Zenith C845 and MJ1035 radios, both of which are designed for high-performance, long-distance reception even using simple antennas (a built-in antenna on the C845 and an old pair of TV rabbit ears on the MJ1035). I almost hate to think how many stations I'd get under summer/early fall propagation conditions if either of these sets were connected to a really good outdoor antenna--I'd probably have more signals coming in than I could count. No wonder so many 2-meter FM repeaters which are normally open access during fall and winter have to be put on tone-access mode (CTCSS or PL) in the summer.

WTAM (3WE) does (and did) come into the Pittsburgh area at night and in the day although it is a bit weak but listenable. Listening to Rush Limbaugh, if KDKA or WKBN pre-empted him, sometimes I went to WTAM (3WE) although the best reception was in the car. I like to use www.radio-locator.com and WTAM is omnidirectional and I live right at the edge of the "distant" line for WTAM.

WKBN, well, in the daytime, it is almost omni-directional and in the daytime, I'm just at the edge of what is considered local coverage. At night, they switch patterns and you have three major lobes, one to the southwest towards Canton/Akron, to the southeast towards Pittsburgh, and a huge one to the north towards where you live. At night, I might be considered borderline local/distant while you would still be "local." Just about every night, I do hear the Cubans in the background. I think the last time I looked into a 1980's WRTH era book, the Cuban "Radio Reloj" puts out like 150 or even 300 kilowatts.


FM wise, sometimes I hear Cleveland stations via ducting. I did hear a Christian one around 106 or 107 Mc. One other time, I received our local police department on 460.050 Mc as far away as Canton, Ohio on my scanner and I heard an ambulance called out for my next door neighbor.

Labor Day 2001, I was with friends in Erie and I tried to raise local hams on 2 meters, no luck, so I heard the Ontario PPD in the 142 Mc range so I decided to tune around 2 meters and I decided to talk to Canadian hams instead. I got one repeater that was 50 miles across Lake Erie and 20 or 30 miles inland so my signal went 70 or 80 miles. One interesting fact, I used a rubber duckie antenna and I was only putting out 1 watt on low power. I guess since it was a regular workday in Canada, I had better luck up there.

KA3WRW

radiotvnut 06-08-2008 12:41 AM

OK, some more good news. KMOX-1120 of St. Louis is now broadcasting a music program on Saturday night called "Route 66." They play music from '55-'67. I really enjoyed it and so did the '38 Airline radio! I was looking on the KMOX website and they went all talk in 1960. I didn't think AM talk radio started until the '80's. I don't think there's a soul alive that hates talk radio more than I do.

Hemingray 06-09-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Celt (Post 1794024)
The AM and FM bands here are extremely crowded. The AM band is full of the nonsense that one associates with AM these days. So, hearing MUSIC was a pleasant surprise. Most of the stations around here have been on the air since before WWII, so they started off being music stations. With the exception of two NPR stations (Jonesboro and Memphis), I gave up on FM years ago. It's now full of Clear Channel classic rock stations or *what passes for country music these days* stations.

Can you recieve 1320 out of Walnut Ridge? Although they only operate during the day, they have good oldies.

NowhereMan 1966 06-09-2008 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by radiotvnut (Post 1909403)
OK, some more good news. KMOX-1120 of St. Louis is now broadcasting a music program on Saturday night called "Route 66." They play music from '55-'67. I really enjoyed it and so did the '38 Airline radio! I was looking on the KMOX website and they went all talk in 1960. I didn't think AM talk radio started until the '80's. I don't think there's a soul alive that hates talk radio more than I do.

I'm glad to see it. I'll have to see if I can pull them in here in Pittsburgh although I do listen to WABC, 770 kc, out of New York on Saturday nights. If the ionosphere is willing, I like to use my 1953 Philco 5 tube radio or my 1965 8 transistor Magnavox (Maggie) radio.

Talk radio has been around probably since even the 1940's, after World War II, I think the legendary Joe Pine got his start that way. Still, I think the modern sense that we know today didn't get much of a hold until the 1960's, I know WNBC was talk part-time then, you had talkshow hosts like "Long John" Nebbel and Joe Pine again. I think they were mainly on at weeknights. Here is Pittsburgh on KDKA radio from the 1950's until 1971, we had a husband/wife couple, "Ed and Wendy King," where the caller was not heard over the radio but either Ed or Wendy would repeat what they said.

I think there is a demand for music on AM, a lot of people fondly remember it. I'm a huge talkshow junkie myself but there are times I need to get away from that stuff and think back to the 1970's when I was a kid.

Jeffhs 06-09-2008 09:06 PM

Talk radio is beginning to appear on the FM band in some cities, in addition to or instead of on AM. In my area just outside greater Cleveland, I now hear talk programming part of the time on WMMS-FM which used to be 100-percent active rock--the first talk FM station so far in Cleveland. (I wonder which station here, if any, will be next to go all-talk.)

Oldies, on the other hand, seem to have left AM in this area (and probably in many other cities as well) for FM. I can hear at least two FM oldies stations here, one from Cleveland (WMJI-Majic 105.7) and another from a lakefront city 50 miles from Cleveland (WZOO, Magic Oldies 102-5). This is not to say that all oldies stations have fled AM for FM; some small towns/suburbs still have AM oldies radio, such as WKFB-AM 770 in Jeannette, Pennsylvania (as I found out after doing a search using RadioLocator.com). There was a small oldies AM station in the Cleveland metropolitan area until about four years ago (WELW-AM 1330 in Willoughby, east-suburban Cleveland) that switched to syndicated talk, dropping its solid-gold oldies on a Friday. I can only imagine how upset some listeners may have been when they tuned their radios to 1330 the following Monday morning, only to hear national talk hosts rather than the oldies this station had been playing for some four or five years; the format (WELW's oldies format) was modeled after that of CKLW-AM 800 when that station was "The Big Eight" in the '60s-'70s. The station (WELW 1330) also had two of the best local oldies DJs in the business during its oldies days, both of whom were let go when the format changed. :no:

radiotvnut 06-09-2008 11:52 PM

I first heard talk radio locally in the early '90's when the local AM station started carrying Rush Limbaugh from 11-2 everyday. From 2 PM on, it was still music. Then, more talk shows started airing until finally the station went 100% news/talk. This was around '95 and they have not looked back.

Despite what the "know it all" radio programmers believe, I think there would be an interest in an oldies station. I have a large stash of records and CD's that contain oldies that are not heard even on the "oldies" stations. Sometimes, I'll play something for someone that comes over and they will get all excited and tell me that they have not heard that in years. These struggling oldies stations could do better if they'd play more than the same 300 (or less) songs over and over. From what I hear on most oldies stations, they mostly play top 10 material. Who wants to hear "My Boyfriend's Back" or "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" 50 times in a day! How about "1900 Yesterday" by "Liz Damon's Orient Express" , "Heavy Music" by "Bob Seger & the Last Heard", "Friend, Lover, Woman, Wife" by "O.C. Smith, etc. I could go on for days. Those are just some records that are within my reach at the moment. There are tons of songs from the '40's through the '70's that don't get the airplay they deserve.

Jeffhs 06-10-2008 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by radiotvnut (Post 1913750)
I first heard talk radio locally in the early '90's when the local AM station started carrying Rush Limbaugh from 11-2 everyday. From 2 PM on, it was still music. Then, more talk shows started airing until finally the station went 100% news/talk. This was around '95 and they have not looked back.

Despite what the "know it all" radio programmers believe, I think there would be an interest in an oldies station. I have a large stash of records and CD's that contain oldies that are not heard even on the "oldies" stations. Sometimes, I'll play something for someone that comes over and they will get all excited and tell me that they have not heard that in years. These struggling oldies stations could do better if they'd play more than the same 300 (or less) songs over and over. From what I hear on most oldies stations, they mostly play top 10 material. Who wants to hear "My Boyfriend's Back" or "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" 50 times in a day! How about "1900 Yesterday" by "Liz Damon's Orient Express" , "Heavy Music" by "Bob Seger & the Last Heard", "Friend, Lover, Woman, Wife" by "O.C. Smith, etc. I could go on for days. Those are just some records that are within my reach at the moment. There are tons of songs from the '40's through the '70's that don't get the airplay they deserve.

The oldies FM station I mentioned in my last post, WZOO-FM "Magic Oldies 102-5", does in fact play quite a few obscure or little-heard oldies. Their record library must be huge; I swear, that station plays oldies I haven't heard literally in years. The station is located in a town called Edgewood, which is some 50 miles from Cleveland and closer to a city right on Lake Erie known as Ashtabula. I don't think the station could cover the greater Cleveland area if it wanted to, as it seems to be set up as a strictly local station to serve its own area and not much further. No website yet, as it fairly recently switched from adult contemporary to oldies; otherwise, I'm sure it would have an Internet audio stream.

NowhereMan 1966 06-11-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffhs (Post 1913363)
Talk radio is beginning to appear on the FM band in some cities, in addition to or instead of on AM. In my area just outside greater Cleveland, I now hear talk programming part of the time on WMMS-FM which used to be 100-percent active rock--the first talk FM station so far in Cleveland. (I wonder which station here, if any, will be next to go all-talk.)

Oldies, on the other hand, seem to have left AM in this area (and probably in many other cities as well) for FM. I can hear at least two FM oldies stations here, one from Cleveland (WMJI-Majic 105.7) and another from a lakefront city 50 miles from Cleveland (WZOO, Magic Oldies 102-5). This is not to say that all oldies stations have fled AM for FM; some small towns/suburbs still have AM oldies radio, such as WKFB-AM 770 in Jeannette, Pennsylvania (as I found out after doing a search using RadioLocator.com). There was a small oldies AM station in the Cleveland metropolitan area until about four years ago (WELW-AM 1330 in Willoughby, east-suburban Cleveland) that switched to syndicated talk, dropping its solid-gold oldies on a Friday. I can only imagine how upset some listeners may have been when they tuned their radios to 1330 the following Monday morning, only to hear national talk hosts rather than the oldies this station had been playing for some four or five years; the format (WELW's oldies format) was modeled after that of CKLW-AM 800 when that station was "The Big Eight" in the '60s-'70s. The station (WELW 1330) also had two of the best local oldies DJs in the business during its oldies days, both of whom were let go when the format changed. :no:

Yeah, it seems like FM talk is growing, we have one here in Pittsburgh, 104.7, WPGB that is ripping KDKA-AM a new one. They first took Rush Limbaugh away and then the Pittsburgh Pirates. Come to think of it, I notice that many sports teams are going FM too, heck, all three teams here, the Penguins, Pirates, and Steelers have their flagship stations on FM. My maternal grandmother passed away in 1997 but if she was still around, she'd be going ape on her Pirates not being on KDKA anymore. The downside is that the Pirates always pre-emps Michael Savage and he pre-emps George Noory. Wish the Pirates were somewhere else, oh well....

Yeah, sometimes I listen to 770 out of Jeanette and they have a sister station on 620 kc, when there isn't any doctor shows on, they play oldies too.

Jeffhs 07-04-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan 1966 (Post 1917417)
Yeah, it seems like FM talk is growing, we have one here in Pittsburgh, 104.7, WPGB that is ripping KDKA-AM a new one. They first took Rush Limbaugh away and then the Pittsburgh Pirates. Come to think of it, I notice that many sports teams are going FM too, heck, all three teams here, the Penguins, Pirates, and Steelers have their flagship stations on FM. My maternal grandmother passed away in 1997 but if she was still around, she'd be going ape on her Pirates not being on KDKA anymore. The downside is that the Pirates always pre-emps Michael Savage and he pre-emps George Noory. Wish the Pirates were somewhere else, oh well....

Yeah, sometimes I listen to 770 out of Jeanette and they have a sister station on 620 kc, when there isn't any doctor shows on, they play oldies too.

Pittsburgh also has an FM oldies station, WWSW-FM, as I found when I did a search for the city's radio stations on RadioLocator.com. The two AM oldies stations you mention are there as well, although I can't see why two stations (WKFB770/WKHB620) in the same area are simulcasting the same programming. I can't see why, unless 620 (WKHB) is so weak at night at 50 watts (5.5kW daytime) no one much outside the area can hear it.

Doctor shows? WKHB620 must be a talk/oldies station; talk during the day, oldies at night or vice-versa. I can think of at least one other station that splits formats like that: 50kW WBZ-AM 1030 in Boston, which booms in here near Cleveland at night and should be audible in the Pittsburgh area as well after dark. That station is news during the day and talk at night. A small station in the Detroit area, WPON 1460, also has the same format as WKHB; talk and oldies, at least they did the last time I looked at their listing on RadioLocator.com.

NowhereMan 1966 07-06-2008 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffhs (Post 1968402)
Pittsburgh also has an FM oldies station, WWSW-FM, as I found when I did a search for the city's radio stations on RadioLocator.com. The two AM oldies stations you mention are there as well, although I can't see why two stations (WKFB770/WKHB620) in the same area are simulcasting the same programming. I can't see why, unless 620 (WKHB) is so weak at night at 50 watts (5.5kW daytime) no one much outside the area can hear it.

Doctor shows? WKHB620 must be a talk/oldies station; talk during the day, oldies at night or vice-versa. I can think of at least one other station that splits formats like that: 50kW WBZ-AM 1030 in Boston, which booms in here near Cleveland at night and should be audible in the Pittsburgh area as well after dark. That station is news during the day and talk at night. A small station in the Detroit area, WPON 1460, also has the same format as WKHB; talk and oldies, at least they did the last time I looked at their listing on RadioLocator.com.

RadioLocator is a nice site. 620 and 770 don't simulcast but the oldies on 620 and a little "newer" with more emphasis on the 1970's and a few 1980's, I also listen to WWSW-FM, they play "oldies" from the late 1970's and 1980's, stuff I grew up with, never thought the 1980's would be seen as "oldies." Then again, I turn 42 on Tuesday (July 8th). :D

Hmmm, another side issue since you bring up 1030, WBZ Boston. It is bad news unfortunately, we used to be able to receive them under KDKA's signal which is on 1020, but with HD radio and KDKA keeps HD on all night, the HD signal "walks over" 1030 and 1010 (CFRB, Toronto). In fact, the HD signal seems like it splatters 20 kilocycles on each side of KDKA, I hear it on 1040 in my Explorer and in Mom's Hyundai so it is "buh bye" 1040 in Des Moines. I like to AM DX at night plus I think KDKA has "jumped the shark." The morning of July 7th, 2005, I took Mom to work around 5 AM or so and was AM DXing on the way home, I found out about the London terrorist attacks by AM DXing 840 out of Louisville, KY. KDKA was still talking about movie stars. BTW, WEAE on 1250 here in Pittsburgh runs HD all night and I pick up hash on both sides of WOR, 710, our of New York City.

There is even a site out there to stop HD radio over AM at night: http://www.stopiboc.com/index.html

Sandy G 07-06-2008 01:43 AM

The local FM station here, 104.3, changes its format more often than I change my drawers-1st it was a pretty decent oldies station, then it went to a typical "Motown 1965" oldies-you know, where they NEVER play anything much but the same 15 Supremes/Temptations songs all the time...Then they went Country-Boy, just what NE Tennessee needs-ANOTHER Country station, then it was "Urban Contemporary" for the 7 black people we have living here. Last time I checked, they were Southern Gospel. HUGE marketbase there, guys. I gave up on 'em several formats ago. As far as AM goes, I wish they'd get at least sophisticated enuff to drop the Bible-thumpers, & get Rush & Michael Savage... Believe it or not, that would be a big step up...


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