Test... Can we see these?

Added comment...Funny! now that I have downloaded and stored these pix, I can *again* see the pix in the original post, so I guess my browser stores them and supplies them as needed in the first post? :scratch2:

jr

They display fine.

John

They went until at least 1992, I have the same model from that year:yes:
(old thread but a fun one:D)

More Watchmans (Watchmen?)
 

Some recent additions to my small TV collection:

1. "sports" versions... CW from 8:00; Green Bay Packers FD-2A, Tampa Bay Buccaneers FD-30A, San Francisco 49ERS FD-30A (the 30As have a decent AM/FM radio built in), LA Raders FD-20A. There are many more Football teams, as well as Baseball teams... I don't intend to collect them all. :D

2. 2.6 inch models... Continuing CW from 2:00; FD-230 (thick set), FD-270 (nice, thin set) and the weird palm-grip FD-280.

3. Red white and blue FD-10 series... I don't have the white yet.

4. Odd Digital Clock TV/FM FD-3A. Clock is not functional on this sample, so I can't tell if it can be used as an alarm clock radio/TV... anybody here know for sure?

jr

There should be a separate battery to operate the clock on the FD-3A.

Yes! I just got the contacts cleaned up enough to get the clock working, but all that I can get the alarm to do is beep (fairly faint and high pitched). I don't see a mode for clock-radio (or TV) operation.

jr

It's probably just a convenience clock - not meant for TV / Radio operation.

Zenith "Watchman"
 

A fairly recent find. It is identical in layout and control functions to the Sony FD-40A, but differs slightly cosmetically. It is not "made in Japan", but is labeled:
It is a decent performer, similar to the Sony-made products. Model # BT044S, assembled Nov. 1985.
jr

COOL!

Saw one of those on the ebay about a month ago....but it had a VERY odd "cone" shaped raster. I was a bit afraid of it because it was obviously a horizontal problem...but with the added festivities of working with that right angle geometry. It was small at the top and bigger at the bottom. My guess was it would have been an EXTREME simple width problem on a regular CRT....but was showing as a trapezoid.

There must be some really weird custom horizontal treatment in these.....like a trapezoidal raster custom to look square on these tubes. I have NEVER had to work on one of these beyond the usual little turning of pots. I think one of the pots in the 42A even messes with trimming this trapezoid geometry. My pink 42A was perfect...but I did open it and mess with it just for fun (It's of course back to normal again)

I have a 4" one of these things, mine is branded "Magnavox", however. Pretty decent picture, all in all.

They are neat Sandy.....Just don't ever put a crosshatch on one. You will then FOREVER know these are FAR from perfect. Still a marvel that they even CAN do this geometry trick and pull these off. I use my little Sony 10A in the front room quite regularly to just check that my "in house" station and the little Archos media player are still up and doing okay. I really only need a couple examples of this "paddle" CRT...so I only have a 2A, 10A and the pink 42A. I may sometime go looking for one of the "electrostatic" ones (230?)...so I'll then have the "real" flat example.

I do NOT yet know what the term "electrostatic' means in a CRT....for everything I have is just electromagnetic with yokes. I had NEVER heard of electrostatic until I went through that BIG long thread on the different small screens.

I had 1 of those 2" Watchman models with the slopy screens - drove me crazy, and that was without knowing what a crosshatch looked like. The only model that I now have, and like, is the original FD-210 with the true flat screen.

The little Sony 10A is one of those "slopy" (and "sloppy") 2" Watchman sets. I thought something wasn't quite right with it.....and then put a crosshatch on my little media player/transmitter to see what was up. Luckily....I ran into the thread here about these having odd geometry before tearing into it thinking it was supposed to be perfect.

My first thought when I saw the problem was "Oh jeese...It's a SONY, so OF COURSE it's supposed to be perfect...and this one is broke".

Now.....I realize it's meant to be a small portable set, and nobody really should be watching these and being critical with the picture. I still find it amazing they can accomplish a (relatively) square picture that IS focused both top and bottom with the phosphors at that angle. This "magic" makes me afraid to really work on one, since I don't see anything to read on how they accomplish the trapezoidal raster....and focus being (again..relatively) sharp both close AND far from the gun.

Here is a "2 inch" Magnavox labeled "ESCORT 2" Model BF3900BK01. It was "Made in Japan" in March 1985 and closely resembles the Sony FD-20A. It lacks the "video input" jack, but otherwise controls and jacks are in the same locations as on the Sony.
Sandy... Is the "4 inch" Magnavox labeled "ESCORT 4" perhaps?

jr

Aye-yup...Terry gave it to me, for being such a NICE customer, I guess...Mine HAS the video jack "A/V in", as well as a 6VDC input. It has the Knoxville, Tenn address for "North American Philips Consumer Electronics Co." & a May, 1985 build date. Kinda hefty l'il beastie when loaded up w/4 "C" batteries.

Collecting sets that size you guys could easily have 50 of 'em and keep the entire collection on one shelf in a closet.......

In one of the pictures posted there are 4 tubes of different sizes, Jr_tech, it was your picture, front and back of the 4 size screens. I was wondering can you re post those pictures with indications of where the HV lead goes? and those of you with working sets, what is the HV voltage? Also wondering since the screen does not need to be transparent, is the screen energized with the HV? can you tell by looking?

And if you just want to get a flat tube, there is some guy on ebay trying to sell them for just a few bucks... $14. I think.... I've seen them a few times...

I scored a Sony 2" at a pawnshop once for $20 or so, & it even worked...It was the "Basic/basic/basic" model-No antenna or power inputs, no contrast, just channel-UHF/VHF switch, rotary knobs for tuning & volume. L'il sucker DID have a pretty decent picture, & could pull in stations pretty good.

@Username1....

The HV connection point can best be seen on the picture of the back of the tubes:

http://www.videokarma.org/attachment...8&d=1259886996

On the 4" and 2" CRTs the connection is on the right side of the funnel flare and in both cases located almost directly above the center of the deflection yoke. You should be able to see the HV button easily on the 4" tube, but it is more difficult to see on the 2" version.

On the 2.7 " tube, there is no funnel HV connection. Pin 1 of the CRT is somewhat isolated, and used for that purpose. Pin 1 is on the left side of the tube in the photo and if you look closely, you can see a small patch of white (rtv?) material used to provide insulation around the pin.

On the early 2" tube (ED-15), a black three pin connector juts out of the left side of the tube in the funnel flare region, providing connection for the 2 deflection plates and HV.

I'm guessing that HV was on the order of 1.5Kv on the smaller tubes and perhaps 3kv or so on the 4" tube, but this is only a WAG. The screens appear to be connected to the HV.

jr

I would agree with your guess of around 1500 - 3000V from what I have seen on 3" tv's. I was interested to see if they did the HV button on the side of the tube like the big ones.

now I kinda want one....

Thanks jr.

The little shittin' things DO have a way of "Growing" on ya...(grin)

This is a good time to get 'em. They can be found in abundance on eBay, they usually are cheap, and they usually work. They are unusual in design, which IMHO, makes them collectible.

Betcha you can't collect just one! :)

jr

I've got three. Two silver FD-40As:Both work one is in great shape with carrying case, but needs to have it's yoke rotated a few degrees, the other is beat to heck but is electronically fine(go figure).

I also have a blue FD-20A which has static audio, but NO raster...If i knew more about SS stuff I might have bothered to pop it open, but I'm worried that it will become one of my "Dixie cup" projects if I try to fix it.

Like my poor little Panasonic TR-1010 I had since like 1984 or so... She now rests in peace (pieces) in a metal mooncakes tin :tears:

At least I'm waiting on a TR-1020 with a broken antenna and missing it's magnifier and wall wart. I can easily use the 1010's corpse to fill in those gaps...so it isn't ALL lost (always wanted a 1020 with the FM).

Will the magnifier fit? I know that a1010 and 1030 magnifier are slightly different, I have never had a 1020.

jr

Dunno that....but since I do have a 1030 (and it's magnifier) and it's a completely different case, I'm going to (likely wrongly) assume the 1010 and 1020 are the same item. These two cabinets do look the same.....and I got the 1020 in "unknown" hence REAL cheap condition. I may still end up looking for a battery cover for the 1020. It has the little black rechargeable pack...and I have the 1010's cover, but the 1020's cover appears to be a different orientation. LOOKS the same...but very unlikely.

I sorta just bid on the 1020 and ended up winning it for like ten bucks. I think the description and pics showing the missing antenna and battery cover scared most off....and the fact it has no (proprietary) wall wart and was untested. I have all the parts to at least replace the obvious missing items....even if it ends up just taking the EMPTY space on the shelf where the 1010 was. I don't like sets that DON'T work up on the "display" shelves if I can help it. It dilutes the effect of hitting a single X10 remote control switch and seeing them ALL come on at once :-P

Okay....GOT the little Panasonic 1020 I was waiting for.

Antenna...same as 1010
"Wall wart"...same as all three of the little b/w "10xx" sets

Magnifier....NO. 1010's CRT is to the extreme left, 1020 is to the left but is maybe 1/4" further from the left side. The magnifier will slide on, and look fine, but does not center. The 1030's magnifier is black....and 1030's CRT is front and center. So all those magnifiers ARE different.

Battery covers on all three 10xx sets....are different, even though 1010 and 1020 use the same shape battery pack.

The little 1020 I got for just over ten bucks does run and look perfectly though. It just sorta has to stay on a shelf without it's battery cover, and it can't show with the magnifier since it will not really do it's job. I'll hafta still find either a dead 1020 with a decent battery cover and magnifier....or a working 1010 that may be missing some cabinet parts. DOES have a nice bright clear little picture...so the hard part is done. I guess I should at some point get my CT101 back down to San Diego from LA so I have all the little Panny micros together.

I've always wanted a CT-101 (and 100:rolleyes:) Anyways they are always too expensive. It would be great to find one at a rummage sale or estate sale. Good luck on getting your Micro-Panny collection together, sounds like it's coming along:yes:

I have 2 CT-101s, they work well, one I've owned from new. When I ordered it from the local hardware store, I got Fish-Eyes big time-"For THAT amount of money, we could gitchoo a REAL TV-19" at least"...Biggest problem w/'em is the cheap-shyte cabinets-To save weight-And MONEY-they were VERY flimsy, & would break under even moderate wear & tear.They have at least 2X the amount of "Guts" as one of their B/W brothers do, you can almost make the color go in & out by pressing too hard on certain points, or "Torquing" it slightly.

Yup Sandy...My 101 is like that. I did indeed find it at a swap meet maybe ten years ago. They didn't even know it was color...and I got it for like 20 bucks just thinking it would be something fun to play with....and put next to my little 1010 I'd had since new.

I had no "collection" to speak of really....and since you COULD still watch OTA stuff at the time, everyone just called these "old"....not "vintage" or collectable.

101's chassis is just WAY too sensitive....and this one is a great example of big gaps and stuff. Mine, the sound will go out if you squeeze it.....and I've always been afraid to go inside of this one. It's up in LA sitting next to a Sony "Mega" watchman I want to get back down to San Diego with the rest of my TV stuff I had at my dad's.

The good thing about the "Teeny,Tiny" Panasonics is that most of 'em WORK, even if the cosmetics aren't great. I'd imagine a lot of 'em never saw much use, they're really too small to watch for any extended period of time. Broken antennas, broken batt box slide covers seem to be usual problems w/'em...

Found a black Sony 42A at the swap meet today. The guy only wanted five bucks for it because he was honest and said he remembered it one day just had no picture at all. I brought it home and it's pretty clean as far as the cabinet.....does come on...tuning and sound, but appears to have no HV. Couldn't even get any excitement from JAMMING a finger on the PC board under the little silver HV module (which woulda been quite festive if there WAS any HV).

Figured it was worth the five bucks just for fun....or the perfect antenna, or what is likely a perfect little 4" paddle CRT.

Also scored a little color 5" Magnavox thing for SIX bucks with no wall wart. This is the little Maggie with the built in handle and the torqoise blue power button. Cute little chassis, but nothing exciting really. This one turned out to come on and look flawless, so now have one of those. I have one of these that I could never bring to life...so THAT one is in a shoebox. I got this one to maybe put one together that was working if it needed a CRT or something. Turns out it works perfectly and looks great already...even it's A/V inputs.

I have a Magnavox RD0510 that used to work, but will not power up at all - can't figure out what is wrong with it. Is this the same model number as your dead unit?

Yup...RD0510 with a build date of June 1992

The one that is dead (was an ebay thing "for parts"...that I gambled on just for fun)...is also an RD0510 with a build of April of '93

I was just looking at the junked one...and looks like at some point I stole it's speaker and antenna to likely rescue something else. I don't have a CRT checker...so I can only assume it's CRT is likely still fine.

Also.....I was about to PULL the little HV module off that Sony 42A.....and suddenly noticed a crack in the board just under it. Jumped two traces and that little $5 Sony is up and running again :-)

The RD0510 that does not come up makes a very faint horizontal output squeel for about a half second when you first bring it up......but I have no schematics for it. I just looked for some very obvious things like weird looking caps and breaks, then I set it aside since it was "cute"...but not really that exciting. I kept it around just in case something else was gonna need a 5" Samsung 15CAC66X color tube (like maybe my JVC CX-500 someday)

Now since I have one of these that runs....I don't really think it's gonna be in my "display"..but rather just a color set I can use to fix a VCR,DVD player or something. It does have A/V rca inputs. Iit's QUITE portable...but does not have a battery box. Does seem to have a respectable picture though that can handle a good B/W I Love Lucy episode without any real tinting.

I checked every component on my RD0510 - nothing looks or tests bad, but this thing just will not come to life. I do have some voltages on the boards, but no schematic available.

I have one of those little 5" Maggie color sets-Somewhere along the line, mine got a NASTY scratch across the screen...Grrrrr...I live about 35 miles away from Greeneville, where their plant & factory store are. IIRC, I got it there for little or nothin'.

Anyone else got the Sony clock radio that had the built in TV? I forget the model. Bought it when Sun TV was closing for like $30 in 1996ish, used to use it to fall asleep to.

At work there is an Aiphone video intercom system which uses Sony Watchman "lollipop"-style CRTs. I would guess it's from the late 90s or early 2000s, so the CRTs must have been manufactured until recently.

That got me searching, looks like anyone can get an Aiphone "tenant monitor" for $30 BIN + somewhat overpriced shipping from our favorite internet auction site, looks like the same type of 4" monochrome "lollipop" CRT: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AIPHONE-MB-V...item27cb72c854

Also found this PDF which explains how they are to be connected: http://www.aiphone.com/data/pdf/prod...eo%20Instr.pdf

Another manual, looks like it was published in 1997: http://www.aiphone.com/data/pdf/prod...MD%20Instr.pdf

Cool Flickr set with this tube: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmacd12...th/6881694660/

Wow! I have never seen those before !
Did some checking and found one of the clock radios on the 'Bay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sony...item416c2394de
Wonder why it is so deep?
Not affiliated,
jr

I have too many of these little sets, most of which work regardless of condition (except the Panasonics :tears:). I guess Sony knew their stuff.

Please don't show me more. I have very little resistance to hitting the BIN button...