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Zenith26kc20 07-20-2011 11:00 AM

This set is fascinating to me. I spent a good bit of time looking over my Motorola service book on the TS-4's the last few days and no pictures of the .03 caps on top of the board are shown or mentioned.
Also, unless I missed someting, no .03 mfd's are listed in the sweep circuits. One variation does show a .0005 horizontal coupling. The high voltage cage is pictured correctly as well as no fine tuning. All of my TS-4's have fine tuning.
Keep us informed. I want to see this one play!

bandersen 07-20-2011 12:34 PM

Mine is a cross between the TS-4 early and late found in Riders Vol #1. You can download a scan from the Early Television Foundation.

I wonder if those 0.03 caps could still be good ? I think they're oil filled and those tend to last a long time. I also really want to retain the original look and they don't look easy to rebuild.

If I do need to replace them, I'd like to get some nice ASC caps like I used in my Hallicrafters. They are 0.022 mfd @ 6,000v caps from Allied Electronics. Not quite 0.03 but they worked fine.
Sadly, they're out of stock of just about all ASC HV caps :(

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/...c643bfcf2b.jpg

bandersen 08-03-2011 12:01 AM

I'm just about done with the cabinet. One of the last tasks was to apply the decals.

These were fairly easy.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6021/...97ff0a6ce3.jpg

Now for the tricky part - cutting them up for the channel #1 lineup.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6016/...38d229807b.jpg


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/...fd45fedae4.jpg

Here they after a few coats of lacquer. The 7 and 5-6 are slight askew, but I doubt most folks will notice.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6134/...bf1d5ef5e1.jpg

kvflyer 08-03-2011 08:44 AM

Looks good Bob as usual. I have 5 of these little guys. So far, I have only restored one of them. Don't remember the version but it doesn't have channel 1. Another one that I have is a blonde cabinet. Still sitting in queue. And another one has channel 1 but one of the coils below was physically damaged. I have an 8" Motorola, can't remember the number that may well become a donor chassis. The CRT tests excellent as well. All in all, most of my 7JP4 tubes are adequate with two rather weak but not dead.

I especially like the decals that you came up with!

bandersen 08-19-2011 09:55 PM

Time to tackle the old, melted CRT mask. Most of it peeled away. I then used water and a small brush to work the rest loose.

Yummy :yuck:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6071/...5116209d_z.jpg http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6088/...7251069b_z.jpg


Here's the new reproduction mask installed.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6081/...a511df12_z.jpg

The original brown paint had mostly flaked off the bottom. I recently read a tip that the Rustoleum "camouflage" series works well for cabinet bottoms, backs and insides.
First, I removed the feet and masked off the cabinet and label.
Then, sealed it with shellac and sprayed on a couple light coats. It's very flat and I think looks pretty good.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6183/...2d72ef1d_z.jpg http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6185/...3f0bd590_z.jpg

The rest of the cabinet is just about done too. I think one more round of 1000 grit sanding and a final coat of semi-gloss lacquer will do it.

What I did was patch the veneer chips and lightly sand the top layer of the old finish. Then fill in the voids with lacquer sanding sealer. Finally, put on a few coast of semi-gloss lacquer. My goal was to retain the original patina, but fix up the biggest flaws and protect it.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6190/...2e8bd922_z.jpg http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6084/...9db10ef8_z.jpg http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6079/...dce4b223_z.jpg

If you're wondering why the remote controls to the right are upside down - it's so they don't scratch my vintage coffee table :)

mbates14 08-19-2011 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bandersen (Post 3011910)
If you're wondering why the remote controls to the right are upside down - it's so they don't scratch my vintage coffee table :)

LOL and here you are working with a TV on top of it. lol. :banana:

bandersen 08-19-2011 11:21 PM

True, but I do have a towel under it :) Plus I'm not really doing much work on it in this room - it's just a good area to take photos.
Those plastic remotes banging down on the table again and again and sliding around are really rough on the lacquer finish.

miniman82 08-20-2011 12:54 AM

Ask me how I know you're never gonna have kids, Bob. :D

kvflyer 08-20-2011 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandersen (Post 3011910)
...

If you're wondering why the remote controls to the right are upside down - it's so they don't scratch my vintage coffee table :)

Bob,

Looks great. I have used water to get that nasty old gasket off too. I found that info a few years ago either here or on ARF. You have more tenacity than I.

As as to the remotes, I do the same thing whilst they are sitting on the bed so that the buttons do not get pushed by the cats...

TheNixer 08-22-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 3009188)
Wonder if anyone at Motorola, Admiral, et al ever thought people would STILL be "Fussin'" over these things 65 years later ?!?

My answer is a big NO. I nearly stalked the relatives of Ross Siragusa (Admiral) for some history and even some old photos. I think they were happy to have the interest in the beginning but other than a PDF of Siragusa's life there wasn't much else. Including interest. Craftsmanship and design in the 40's blows away today's standards but the motive was the same. If they didn't make money they wouldn't survive tomorrow. There didn't seem to be much sentimentality to it. Models were always changing and everything moved along at a fantastic pace.

I'd love to know what within us makes us appreciate these old sets. I'm the only person I know in my day to day life that prefers and enjoys my '49 Motorola over an LG 52" HD TV.

old_coot88 08-23-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheNixer (Post 3012101)
I'd love to know what within us makes us appreciate these old sets. I'm the only person I know in my day to day life that prefers and enjoys my '49 Motorola over an LG 52" HD TV.

It's a touchstone to something intrinsically and quintessentially American, designed and created by Americans, representing America at the zenith of her greatness. I get the same feeling you describe looking through the 'Popular Science'/'Popular Mechanics' genre of magazines from that era of when i was a kid.
Bill(oc)

kx250rider 08-23-2011 11:07 AM

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kx250rider 08-23-2011 11:10 AM

Wait a minute: How'd my reply go in the wrong thread?

kvflyer 08-23-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kx250rider (Post 3012164)
Wait a minute: How'd my reply go in the wrong thread?


I dunno!

Anyway, why do I have 5 of these sets? Well, I remember one being in basement when I was a kid. Dad worked on sets and I just remembered how cute it was! Fast forward, One of the ones that I have is now restored and works well. I still have 4 in queue. One is a blonde cabinet and one has channel 1. So, I guess I am like the rest of us that just wants these little guys...

http://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/...p?f=3&t=144209

Eric H 08-23-2011 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kx250rider (Post 3012164)
Wait a minute: How'd my reply go in the wrong thread?

Possibly because I deleted that post as SPAM?

KentTeffeteller 08-23-2011 09:47 PM

Sandy G,

If I recall correctly, the first TV station you could easily receive was WBTV in Charlotte, NC. Which signed on before the debut of WJHL-TV in 1953. The difficulty of reception and the expense of the early TV sets limited their acceptance when the VT 71 was first built.

bandersen 05-07-2013 08:54 PM

I was rearranging my VT71s and took the opportunity to snap some photos of all three side by side. The blonde is a work in progress and it's logo and CRT have been removed.

Left-to-right: Very early version with walnut cabinet, mahogany and blonde

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8533/8...c3a75494_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8137/8...9b89d2b5_b.jpg

ChrisW6ATV 06-04-2014 01:49 AM

Bob-

Here are my serial numbers and dates of my two VT-71s. The older one is not marked TS-4D after all.

Walnut
#5782
January 30, 1948
Steel chassis

Blond
TS-4D
#24874
March 30, 1948
Copper chassis

On both of mine, the bottom control with the metal cap is called "audio adjust".

I am going to start restoring the walnut one now. It does have the round discs on the lower sides near the front. (I thought it was mahogany until I looked at your three pictures. I am very poor at recognizing wood types.) I had bought a restored VT-71 cabinet on Ebay a number of years ago, and it is definitely mahogany, comparing to your three sets. Now, I guess I have an excuse to find a third one of these (one of each finish).

ChrisW6ATV 06-04-2014 02:28 AM

My walnut set's cabinet shows the 7F8 tube, but the chassis itself does not have one, it appears, but rather a miniature tube (another 6AG5?).

I am going to restore the blond TS-4D now instead, I decided. Its cabinet is in very nice condition with good decals, so maybe its CRT will be strong if I am lucky. Around 1980, I had it partially working, but that was before I knew I needed to replace every paper capacitor. I remember that I put 6000V disc capacitors in it; those will be replaced again with some ASCs that I already bought.

bandersen 06-04-2014 02:43 PM

That should be a 12AT7 tube. Should like you might have a mismatched cabinet and chassis.

I'm curious to see of photo of that walnut cabinet. I've only seen two ever in walnut - mine and the TS-4B on ebay. Neither have the side plugs.

ChrisW6ATV 06-06-2014 12:19 AM

I will take pictures of it, along with my mahogany empty cabinet, and post them in the next few days.


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