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bandersen 03-20-2012 02:24 AM

LOL, nope. We've had crazy stretch of very warm weather and I've been doing some refinishing.

I'll be getting back to TVs and alignments soon though :)

Zenith6S321 04-12-2012 10:10 PM

Further fiddling with VA62 code
 
Just an update. Since the 30-50MHz RF-IF SIGNAL switch setting has AM modulated audio tones I was hoping to be able to get the VA62 to output an AM radio band RF signal but the PLL in my VA62 will not lock reliably below about 15MHz even by changing the programmable PLL loop gain. Although it can be persuaded to lock down to about 8MHz by repeatedly flipping the RF/IF level select switch I added. Here is the RF/IF Level switch functionality you get in all the RF-IF SIGNAL switch settings:
PROG CABLE CH2-73 RF and IF levels (mod gives CH42=25.5MHz +/-9.75MHz in .25MHz steps)
STD CABLE CH2-73 RF and IF levels (mod gives CH42=25.5MHz)
STD TV CH2-83 RF and IF levels
30-50 MHz IF level only (mod gives 1-99MHz circuit limited to about 8-99MHz on mine)
45.75MHz VIDEO IF RF and IF levels
39.75MHz TRAP IF level only
41.25MHz TRAP IF level only
47.25MHz TRAP IF level only
4.5MHz FM RF level only

Dave

cwmoser 04-13-2012 08:06 AM

Dave, thanks again for the work you are doing with the VA62. Can't wait to get that EPROM from you to try in my Sencore VA62.

I've never aligned a TV before but with a mod like this perhaps I can figure it out. BTW, anyone have a YouTube video on TV alignment or a thread showing the intricate details? Like to try aligning my GE Model 50 Locomotive TV once I finish recapping it -- the IF is 26.3 Mhz.

Carl

Zenith6S321 04-13-2012 08:16 AM

Bandersen has many amazing restoration youtube videos at http://www.youtube.com/user/bandersentv
which include full alignments of the older TVs. I find his explanations very helpful!

Dave

bandersen 04-13-2012 11:44 AM

Thanks. I think this is the best I've done so far on aligning a vintage stagger tuned IF: http://youtu.be/VH0yXo6GAuw

Zenith6S321 04-16-2012 08:43 PM

VA62 EPROM mod. clarification
 
I edited my post #31 to clarify the wiring of the DPDT RF/IF Level switch. Attached is a picture of the VA62 block diagram showing the RF-IF Switch wiring with its numbered wire connections. There was a mistake in the schematic that I corrected in pencil.

cwmoser 04-17-2012 09:01 AM

Dave's reprogramming of the uP for the Sencore VA62 is ingenious.
I received his EPROM yesterday and installed it this morning. My VA62 can now go down to 12.0Mhz but at that low frequency the amplitude is subdued and waveform a little malformed.

But, that is a non-issue. Don't need for it to go that low frequency anyway.
My VA62 produces a nice waveform and good amplitude down to 15.0Mhz:
http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...hzVA62-640.jpg
http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...zScope-640.jpg

Here it is at 18.5Mhz:
http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...hzVA62-640.jpg
http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...zScope-640.jpg

Here at 26.30Mhz:
http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...hzVA62-640.jpg
http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...zScope-640.jpg

Here at 42.75Mhz:
http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...hzVA62-640.jpg
http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...zScope-640.jpg


Have not installed the toggle switch yet.
Need to visit Radio Shack for a nice looking switch.
Think I will put masking tape on the inside to capture metal filings.

Carl

cwmoser 04-17-2012 12:50 PM

Followed the schematic and got the DPDT switch installed.
What a pain in the a**!!
Its really tight in there. I cut loose the cable straps and got the switch installed. Looks like everything is working as described. I did note that when a signal did not occur, toggling the switch brought it out - like Dave noted.

http://www.cerant.com/SENCORE%20EPRO...Switch-640.jpg

Now, I got to spend some time learning how to use this to align vintage TVs.

Carl

Zenith6S321 04-17-2012 06:20 PM

Nice work Carl, I'm glad the installation went well! I must have checked my RF/IF switch wiring four times just to be sure I had the wiring right since I did'nt want to mistakenly send the -15VDC to the +15VDC, and vice versa, to the wrong RF/IF amplifier power inputs. I also found it a bit tough to fit the new DPDT level switch in the panel but I think its the right placement. I find that I forget which RF-IF SIGNAL switch positions can can work with the DPDT in the RF or the IF position so I may tape a copy of the list on my VA62 for reference. Good to hear that toggling the new RF/IF switch persuades your VA62 PLL to lock in the same as mine.

Dave

cwmoser 04-18-2012 07:27 AM

Very nice mod that Dave developed.
Makes those old Sencore VA62's very useful on vintage TVs.

Anyone have suggestions on the best way to learn the fine points about aligning IF in TVs? I watched bandersen's video and I guess just jump on a TV and experiment. Too bad we don't have hands on instructional classes anymore. Might be a consideration at a future ETV Convention or Radio swap meet.

Carl

Zenith6S321 05-08-2012 07:44 PM

Some more info on the modification
 
1 Attachment(s)
For anyone interested in the modification that allows the Sencore VA62 to be used to generate TV video/audio modulated IF for any frequency from 15.75MHz to 35.25MHz as well as the original 45.75 MHz, attached is a document describing the installation, whats modified, and its new capabilities for the EPROM plus RF-IF switch modification. I can supply the EPROM for $5.00 and USPS first class flat rate shipping is about $6.25 IIRC. Or I can send you a .HEX file if you want to burn you own EPROM. YOU WILL have to install an RF-IF manual level switch to get the IF level output for the 15.75MHz to 35.25MHz range (on channel 42).

Dave

TubeType 05-10-2012 10:41 PM

Sencore VA62 vs VA62A
 
I have been asked whether there are any differences between the Sencor VA62 and the VA62A. I have always thought they were functionally identical. Can anyone shed any light on this subject?
Thanks,

cwmoser 05-12-2012 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TubeType (Post 3034945)
I have been asked whether there are any differences between the Sencor VA62 and the VA62A. I have always thought they were functionally identical. Can anyone shed any light on this subject?
Thanks,

I posed the same question some time ago and the answer I got was that the only difference between the VA-62 and the VA-62A was that the "A" version extended the UHF channel range. Today that is so little an issue that I would go after the best condition/price and not consider if its "A" or not.

Carl

TubeType 05-12-2012 09:40 AM

Thanks Carl,
That's why I never noticed the difference between the two boxes. I'll pass that info along.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwmoser (Post 3035052)
I posed the same question some time ago and the answer I got was that the only difference between the VA-62 and the VA-62A was that the "A" version extended the UHF channel range. Today that is so little an issue that I would go after the best condition/price and not consider if its "A" or not.

Carl


cwmoser 09-09-2012 07:16 AM

Has anyone used a modified VA-62 to align a vintage TV?

Carl

snelson903 09-09-2012 08:56 AM

wow that one's cool, i have the sencore va-48 its not as modern as that one is.

reeferman 09-09-2012 10:12 PM

I just picked up a VA-62 this week. I'll send you a PM concerning the chip.
Thanks,
Phil

reeferman 09-17-2012 08:47 PM

chip modification offer
 
Dave,
Are you still offering the modified chip?
Thanks
Phil

Zenith6S321 09-18-2012 07:05 PM

Yes, did you get the PM I sent?

Dave

reeferman 09-19-2012 03:40 PM

Just got it.
Thank you

N2IXK 09-28-2012 12:21 PM

Just snagged a VA62A on eBay for $42.50 from a seller within 20 miles of me. Claimed to be working, and the only thing that looks wrong in the auction pics is that somebody busted off the ground pin on the power cord. Once I get the thing onto the bench, I'll be wanting one of the hacked EPROMs for my unit, as well. Will PM you soon to make arrangements...

Thanks for all the great info on these units! Particular thanks to Phil for hosting all those manual scans! Just grabbed the full set...

N2IXK 10-07-2012 09:11 PM

Got the unit on the bench over the weekend, and everything seems to work just fine. All the patterns display properly, RF frequencies all nice and stable on a counter, and all the drive signals look good on a scope. Replaced the line cord, and swapped the 3 front panel RCA jacks (30 Hz Servo drive, Video out, and 3.58 MHz drive) for BNCs. Why would they even use RCA phono jacks on this kind of equipment? BNCs are much more rugged with stuff being plugged/unplugged all the time.

How many different accessory units were made for this thing? I know of the NTSC pattern generator and the VCR test unit. Any others?

N2IXK 11-04-2012 12:42 PM

UPDATE:

Received the mod EPROM from Dave, and it works great. Opened up the RF range from 35-50MHz to 11-85 MHz with solid PLL lock over the whole range.

Now to install the RF/IF level switch....

Zenith6S321 11-04-2012 03:43 PM

Thats good news! Looks like the old VA62 firmware that the modification is based on has worked in all the VA62A versions tried so far. Be very careful and check over thee RF/IF switch wiring, as it switches +/- supply voltages to control the RF/IF amplifier output sections. Get the wires wrong and it could be bad news!

N2IXK 11-08-2012 03:46 PM

Switch installed, and all is working great! Thanks, all!

ChrisW6ATV 01-01-2013 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Nelson (Post 3029884)
On request, I posted the VA62A files temporarily on my website.

Thank you for posting the VA62A information, Phil. I just bought one of these units on Ebay and I appreciate your efforts.

Sparky 07-05-2013 09:12 AM

Here here. Likewise for me as well. Thanks for you work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisW6ATV (Post 3057956)
Thank you for posting the VA62A information, Phil. I appreciate your efforts.


Rcr1961 04-09-2014 04:22 PM

VA62 rom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenith6S321 (Post 3029496)
As an avid reader of these forums I came across Bob's post about wanting a wider frequency range on the VA62. A few months ago I did my first restoration on a 721TS and found out how touchy analog RF generators are to use for a marker generator. I happened to have a VA62 and its schematics which I used to fix its 1MHz reference to the PLL. Back in the day I did some digital design work. So, like Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear (love that show) I figured "how hard could it be?". I read the EPROM, used Google to find a dissasembler, and spent a few evenings looking through the schematics and the 28 pages of assembly code. I found the code that limits the keypad frequency input to 35.00 - 50.00 MHz and changed the limits to be 3.00 - 99.00 MHz. As Bob's cool video shows, the VA62 is designed for the 35-50 range, but will work outside that range to some extent. My Run 18 VA62 can reliably be programmed for 15.00 - 99.00 MHz. Below 15 is hit or miss. My VA62 uses a 2716 2K Byte EPROM, but the schematic shows a jumper to accomodate the 2732 4K Byte EPROM that Bob's has. The 8035 microcontroller can address two 2K Byte program memory banks. It would be useful to know if there are different firmware revisions or if they all use the same version. If you want to mod your VA62 PM me. I can supply the .HEX file if you have an EPROM burner or I can burn your EPROM if you send it to me along with a prepaid box to ship it back to you. As Bob's video shows the mod requires opening the VA62, removing the old EPROM and inserting the mod EPROM. This static sensitive electronics, so you do this at your own risk.

Hello, do you still offer the modded eprom ?, I just got a va62 off Ebay,
and your mod is just what I need.

Thanks

Bob R.

Zenith6S321 04-09-2014 06:18 PM

Yes I still have of the mod EPROMs. I will send you a PM.

Dave

aaronwhite30 05-06-2015 10:07 AM

modified eeprom still available?
 
Hate to resurrect an old thread, but I am interested if these modified eeproms are still available for sale?

Zenith6S321 05-06-2015 08:03 PM

Aaronwhite30, yes they are still available. I just re-sent my reply to your email. Let me know if it does not make it through this time.

Dave

aaronwhite30 05-06-2015 08:18 PM

eeproms
 
Sorry Dave, I am still not getting the emails. Are you sending them to [email protected]? You could use my alternate email [email protected]

Zenith6S321 05-07-2015 06:25 PM

Hmm, maybe a spam filter is at work? I just sent to both of the email addresses you listed. Hope it gets through.

Dave

aaronwhite30 05-07-2015 06:31 PM

email trouble
 
CRAP! I had my receive emails from members turned off, I set it on, could you try again?

aaronwhite30 05-07-2015 08:07 PM

Would it be possible to just send a Paypal invoice to my Paypal address [email protected]?

Zenith6S321 05-07-2015 08:53 PM

Ok, I sent a request through PayPal.

aaronwhite30 05-07-2015 09:07 PM

Got it! Thanks!!!! Paid.

oldradio 07-02-2015 03:13 PM

Are you still offering the modified chip?
 
Hello Dave do you still offer sencore VA62 modified eproms for sale? Thank Jon

Zenith6S321 07-06-2015 07:36 PM

Yes. PM sent.


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