Here's the link to the U800 manual that I scanned and Steve put up on the ETF site. The missing page numbers represent blank back sides in the actual manual.

http://www.earlytelevision.org/pdf/S...800-manual.pdf

Kevin, that turned out very nice. Thanks for making it available for everyone.

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I have seen exactly one of those Setchell Carlson color sets. It was over 30 years ago, and the guy I was working for talked the customer into tossing it. I still remember helping hoist it into the dumpster. I went back after everyone went home and salvaged the cabinet. The cabinet was slightly different than yours. That chassis made a lasting impression. For the last 15 or so years I have thought about how I should have saved the chassis too. I don't remember what came of the CRT but I imagine it was necked. I wanted the cabinet to put my Magnavox T-809 into. I was lucky, there was barely a scratch on the wood when I got it home.
I think I still have the cabinet in storage. I should see if there is a model number inside it somewhere. The Magnavox that lived in it for a while is long gone.

Possibly you can spot your cabinet here: http://www.earlytelevision.org/pdf/S...n-brochure.pdf There was also a French Provincial Cabinet.

The model number would be printed on the back cover.

Somewhere in the back of my mind, there was a connection between Setchell Carlson and Ball-Miratel who made color video monitors. Am I imagining this? Ball also made (still makes) glass jars for home canning... Go figure.

in the early 70's Ball also was in the computer business. I recall they were making disc drives.

Setchell Carlson was sold by the founders around 1966, to Marquette Electronics, who went bankrupt a little over a year later, before they had fully paid the founders. Bart Setchell got nothing, because he made sure all the other shareholders were paid first. 3M bought most of it- mainly to get SC's plant in New Brighton. For a little while the School TVs were re-branded as Wollensak products- also owned by 3M. I have a Wollensak branded school TV(mid '68 date codes), with 3M stickers on some of the modules. 3M sold the S-C product lines to Audiotronics (famous for school record players) not long after that, I have another School TV from mid '69, that is branded Setchell Carlson, but still mentions Marquette on the sticker on the back. Audiotronics continued the S-C name on video gear. Not sure what the connection to Ball is, maybe that came later. One reference I found said Miratel had a plant in St. Paul and was started by Ex S-C employees. SC also had a plant in St. paul, maybe that became the Miratel plant after the Marquette Electronics bankruptcy.

I have a couple rectangular color sets that were made in 68. So now I wonder who made those sets? The back covers and chassis still say Setchell Carlson, Saint Paul MN. No mention of Marquette Electronics, 3M or Audiotronics. I wonder if Bart still had some connection at this late time?

If you ever feel like selling one of those rectangular SC color sets let me know.

Years ago I had one of the Ball-Miratel color video monitors that I purchased at an estate sale. It was missing some parts and I never got to see it working. I sold to another collector, I'm not sure if they ever got it going. There can't be too many of them still around.

Very fascinating. That actually has the same SC units as my 68 color sets, less the IF unit, and I see they beefed up the power supply for full time studio use. Thanks for sharing these photo's, maxm. Apologies to Zenithfan for us hijacking his color roundy post, but some of this history is very interesting.

The green monochrome monitors used on machine tools were made by Ball Bros. The logo was the same as the packaging products.
Ball also owns the old Schlitz can plant on the northwest side of Milwaukee.
Miller brewery uses their products, exclusively. :thmbsp:

Here's a little timeline of Ball Miratel's video monitor operation. It's still sketchy who was manufacturing the consumer division of Setchell Carlson TV's during the late 60's.

http://www.tech-notes.tv/History&Tri...l_brothers.htm

The firm I worked at bought three CNC machine tools in 1978. The one with the Bendix control had a Setchell Carlson display, the Giddings & Lewis controls, had Ball Brothers displays.
I didn't think, there was any relationship between the two.
Other strange manufacturing relationships, like Helena Rubenstein building R390 receivers. :scratch2:

:drool: :drool: :drool: I want one of those.

Don't worry about hijacking the thread lol. The history of these sets has been a good read!

Thanks for sharing that manual Kevin. I was just looking it over and these things are built like a tank. I really can't wait to see what kind of picture I can get on this thing. The audio section looks good for blasting music videos lol

Seeing that service manual makes me want a S-C set very badly.

An interesting read, but considering that was taken from reports to share holders, and HOW BADLY those reports to the holders were written, I'm surprised anyone wanted to own their stock......It's like they hired a grade school kid to write their reports.:thumbsdn:

Here's a fun little read, although it's kind of sparse on pictures. Apparently they weren't too keen on showing pictures of their new plants. It's really amazing to think they went from putting up two new facilities, to selling off the company in a matter of a few years. I guess things have always happened fast in the electronics industry.

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/q...psvufjii4v.jpg

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/q...psbqlxvblc.jpg

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/q...pslmhru4n6.jpg

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps7hv4khwm.jpg

Aside from both being in Minnesota, one connection is, they both sold a LOT of black-and-white monitors to the airport/airline video display industry. For over thirty years, I paid a lot of bills fixing monitors of both brands. The Ball Brothers TD-23, in particular, I should have the schematic diagram memorized by now. R162 15k, R164 15 ohms, R165 33 ohms 2 watts...

Miratel does seem to have been a spin-off originally of S-C, either started by S-C employees, or a former SC plant or product lines spun off when the company was sold. One reference I found said Miratel (MInnesota RAdio TElevision) was started by ex SC employees.