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dtvmcdonald 03-10-2016 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve McVoy (Post 3158129)
The tuner conversion consisted of realigning the coils and putting new decals on, if I remember correctly.

If my set is a correct example, which it may not be as it was shipped around to various RCA places as a test bed ....

It most certainly was NOT "realigning" the coils! The alignment range on my oscillator coils if FAR too small. In fact, except for (current) channels 3 and 4 its insufficient to get the sound carrier to tune properly into range of the fine tuning, which even on 3 and 4 barely has enough range.

The coils were actually rewound. This is obvious looking at them.

The tuner design is very, very bad indeed. The main problem is that the tuning wafers on the switch are too large in diameter, meaning that wires are too long. The coils are too big. Some are not even coils ... they are straps that are very low inductance. In fact I had to augment the width of one
by soldering on a strip of copper sheet about 3/16 x 3/4 inches to get
one coil to tune correctly (to the "intermediate" channel set to which my set is tuned.). I do note that I have tried heterodyning
"cable series" channels down into range of channels 1, 2, and 5 (oscillator frequency under the incoming frequency) and they
work fine by fine tuning the frequency synthesizer.

Also the 6J5 was likely the best tube to use, in its time, but still, the distance from the socket tabs to the tube elements is rather too long.

Username1 03-10-2016 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vts1134 (Post 3158149)
Sorry for not replying in a while. I don't mean to abandon the thread. My son Enzo was born on Saturday and I've been busy and very sleep deprived since then. I am in contact with the original store owner's grandson and will be getting as much history as possible soon, I just have to sleep for more than 90 minutes at a time first.

Congratulations ! ~ Yah - the tv can wait........

.

M3-SRT8 03-12-2016 09:55 PM

Simply flabbergasted. Amazing.

Best to leave that one totally alone.:smoke:

vts1134 03-16-2016 01:41 PM

I spoke again briefly with the original store owner's grandson and he has promised a full write up of the history of his grandfather, the shop, and the television as well as he can remember/dig up. He thought he might also be able to provide photographs of his grandfather (Clayton Amerman) and of the shop where the television sat for its life. I will of course share anything I receive about the set here.

As for the set itself, I would hesitate to call it completely original and new. I put new in quotes because it was "new" to me, and "new" to any home besides the store from which it came. The finish is in very good condition, but not perfect. There are some spots on the finish that are a little dry. Adding a coat of wax helped tremendously, and I suspect if the set had been treated with some wax every few years it would have looked like it rolled off the assembly line yesterday. Also keep in mind the chassis has been worked on after leaving the factory because the postwar tuner upgrade has been performed. I was able to slide my phone behind the television chassis and I also see a few replacement capacitors. I don't know if these were done at the time of the tuner upgrade or not. All in all the set is incredible, but as with every other 76 year old television, it's not perfect.

I would very much like to find an original owner's manual for the set some day. Does any one out there have an original they would be willing to part with? I know the manual is a rare find, but if you have one I'd sure love to hear from you.

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Originally Posted by Dave S (Post 3158027)
THAT has got to be one of the top-tier finds EVER!

You didn't ask, but here's my 2-cents: a totally original set is one of the few examples of the type of mass-produced artifacts we collect that deserves to stay totally original. Please consider leaving it 100% factory stock original, even if that means it will never work. Lots of other sets work. Stratospherically few are 100% original.

-- Dave Sica

Rest assured this will stay in its original state minus a bit of clean up here and there. There are plenty of other sets to mess around with...

Here are some interesting photos I've taken.

Under television chassis, I spot 10 postwar replacement capacitors, how many can you spot?:

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/...psum6doe1o.jpg

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/...psllkyy70q.jpg

Original channel frequency ranges scribbled out when they did the postwar tuner upgrade:

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/...psqx4fllhe.jpg

The shop owner and location stamped on the television chassis, Clayton Amerman Peapack NJ.

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1875ktgm.jpg

Kevin Kuehn 03-16-2016 03:30 PM

Interesting about the replacement capacitors. Now I wonder if the set got regular use in the store during the first few years of it's life.

dtvmcdonald 03-16-2016 05:38 PM

I spot at most 3 caps that look different from the ones in my TRK12. My set
had a couple of red ones.

oldtvnut 05-26-2017 11:52 PM

That is the nicest tv I ever saw! I agree, hook it up to a variac, switch to tv and see what happens...
I know I would!

vts1134 05-27-2017 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by oldtvnut (Post 3184532)
That is the nicest tv I ever saw! I agree, hook it up to a variac, switch to tv and see what happens...
I know I would!

I tried that very thing when I got the set....I also couldn't resist! Sadly no raster and I didn't leave full voltage applied for long enough to troubleshoot.

M3-SRT8 05-27-2017 04:03 PM

So...what's the verdict? Are we going to restuff the caps and return them to their age-old positions? Get it working?:smoke:

Sandy G 05-27-2017 04:46 PM

Here's another vote for gettin' it to work. There are quite a few folks who claim there were NO TVs B4 the War...I ran into a self-styled "Expert" who KNEW my Porthole was prewar..

electronjohn 05-28-2017 08:49 AM

Being prewar, it probably only saw a little use prior to the suspension of broadcasting "for the duration". May possibly have been used for in-store demos after the war? Fabulous find any way you look at it!!!

Steve D. 05-28-2017 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by electronjohn (Post 3184600)
Being prewar, it probably only saw a little use prior to the suspension of broadcasting "for the duration". May possibly have been used for in-store demos after the war? Fabulous find any way you look at it!!!

TV broadcasting never totally ceased during WW2. Here's an interesting read as posted on the ETF site: http://www.earlytelevision.org/ww2_history.html.

-Steve D.

murphyv310 05-29-2017 03:28 AM

Absolutely amazing. You are very very lucky. I wish you all the luck in the world with the set.

irext 05-30-2017 06:29 AM

You have a "NOS" complete TV! (you lucky #$%) My vote is to get it going but re stuff all the caps to keep it authentic. A set so original and perfect is a once in a lifetime thing. It would be a shame to not see it working as nicely as it looks. In Aus we simply can't get anything like that. Jealous? Absolutely!!

vts1134 05-30-2017 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by irext (Post 3184692)
You have a "NOS" complete TV! (you lucky #$%) My vote is to get it going but re stuff all the caps to keep it authentic. A set so original and perfect is a once in a lifetime thing. It would be a shame to not see it working as nicely as it looks. In Aus we simply can't get anything like that. Jealous? Absolutely!!

I don't know if I would call it NOS. The set was never sold, but the owner used it for demonstration at his shop. I'm still trying to get the original owner's grandson to write up a history of his grandfather and his shop. Maybe I'll bug him again.

Josef 05-30-2017 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3-SRT8 (Post 3184555)
So...what's the verdict? Are we going to restuff the caps and return them to their age-old positions? Get it working?:smoke:

Definitely :thmbsp:

Your TRK-12 deserves what can be done with a radio:

http://videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=269062

If your set would be NOS I'd leave it in it's original condition too. In your case you have the great opportunity to bring a really great and unique device back to live :yes:

radeonut 06-16-2017 11:15 AM

vts1134, I haven't visited here in a while but while searching to get into a different discussion I just happened to come across your post which was a great "find" in itself. Just want to add my congrats on a once-in-a-lifetime acquisition! :thmbsp::thmbsp:

M3-SRT8 06-19-2017 08:51 PM

Just go one cap at a time. Restuff and fill/dip in amber wax, and return them exactly as found. Take a gazillion pics of all circuits. Slow and sure.

oldtvnut 11-27-2018 03:15 AM

You are one lucky dog,you!! That set is just beautiful, and I'd bet any amount the TV section will come to life! Take care of that piece of television history!!

Kamakiri 11-27-2018 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldtvnut (Post 3206107)
You are one lucky dog,you!! That set is just beautiful, and I'd bet any amount the TV section will come to life! Take care of that piece of television history!!

oldtvnut, are you receiving the messages I keep sending you....?

Tim Tress 11-27-2018 05:40 PM

I would at least replace the filter capacitors in the high voltage section; it probably wouldn't take much of an overload to fry the unobtainium high voltage transformer. What an outstanding find!

John, are you a PARS member? If not, we would love to have you aboard.

Steve McVoy 11-27-2018 05:46 PM

Either you replace all the paper and electrolytic caps and get the set working, or you leave it as it is. There isn't any middle ground. Caps that old will be bad, and there are other irreplaceable parts, such as the horizontal and vertical output transformers, that could be destroyed by powering up the set without recapping.

vts1134 11-28-2018 07:54 PM

It's getting dressed up for Christmas....

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4813/...b8a90903_c.jpg[/url]

dtryon 11-29-2018 03:05 PM

Some History
 
John,
I know you haven't been able to get the store owners grandson to give you a written history yet, but could you give us a "Mini Series" history? Like perhaps an " as you know" history? Things like what kind of department store did it come from and how long had they been closed and perhaps the size of the town it was located in. Also, things like how you heard of it and how you acquired it and perhaps some tidbits exchanged at the time when you picked it up, etc., etc. Congratulations on finding this set, Wow so amazing !
Thanks John, it would be appreciated. My curiosity is killing me ! ! ! Hehehehehe.

Thanks again,
Dennis

mrjukebox160 11-29-2018 09:19 PM

It deserves to live again! It's screaming to play, I can here it! LOL

Hawkwind 12-09-2018 09:00 AM

Commercial...
 
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https://archive.org/details/Magicint1955

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Penthode 12-15-2018 02:32 PM

I have earlier advocated caution when digging in to restore equipment. I have been at it 50 years and my adage is if it ain't broke don't fix it.

I have left resistors which have drifted so long as they do not affect performance. Even then, I replace only with period components. I go to the trouble of restuffing capacitors but I will leave leaky paper capacitors if the parallel bridged resistance is less than on tenth the leak. In any case it should not affect performance and keeping it maintains originality.

I observe the same philosophy with electrolytic capacitors. I would have first tested and reformed the electrolytics in the TK12 before applying power. I would reject an electrolytic if it shows more than 1ma at full rated voltage. If the capacitor fails, I carefully cut open the can and insert new capacitors and refit such that the repair is almost impossible to see.

As Phil said, the equipment is only original once. I would refrain from using it unless it has had a thorough vetting. I feel the leaky paper capacitors are the biggest threat followed by the electrolytics. Please take time and be patient when tackling this machine.

pdr-fml 12-28-2018 09:17 PM

Congratulations. I'm sure this kind of thing doesn't happen that often anymore. Kind of like those barn find muscle cars.


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