Well specifically in the 60s-80s when we were having cold winters they were predicting that we would be in an ice age in a decade or 2. There have been many other climate change reports that have been reviewed and proven false and in the case of the infamous hockey stick graph even made from bogus data to create a falsely ominous prediction.
I'd have to research some of the more specific examples as it has been some years since I've written it off as hogwash and grown bored of listening to all the baloney about the subject...alot of the info I had has faded into the twilight zone of rarely reviewed memory.

This is really getting off topic. Stick to old tv stuff and get this thread back on track.

Hi Tom C., I appreciate your view on capitalism and agree that regulation is not ventured into lightly. I will disagree that climate change has never been on solid ground. The oceans are rising, glaciers are disappearing, the average global temperatures are rising and the average mixture of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing at a rate higher than ever before measured ever since we've been able to retrieve trapped air bubbles of ancient ice in Antarctica. It is not convenient but it is the truth.

Sometimes we humans don't want to know the truth and sometimes we have to find ways to incentify the larger populase of a better way forward even when they don't want to do so. Take seat belts for example. I remember when the auto industry fought tooth and nail in opposition to federally mandating seat belts in all passenger vehicles. Their principle argument against it was cost and the scare tactic that you'd get trapped in a burning car. They couldn't argue the safety aspect so they created distraction to build opposition. In the end we got seat belts in all car and after seat belt use laws became the nation's choice, crash related deaths in the US fell dramatically.

Using LED or CFC lighting greatly reduces power consumption which was always the goal but the battle was to fight fear. Now the LED lamps are just as good (if not better than) incandescent lamps and the total cost of operation is way less.

The regulation (it's not really a law) creates a new market where innovation drives competition which drives cost down. Yes, it took a regulation to force the existing manufacturers to develop better products and that can reduce choice but that's the right way to use these kinds of governmental processes. We all benefit from these game changers.

I will say I wish we didn't have to force these kinds of changes through governmental regulations because it kind of goes counter to free market concepts. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal capitalist democracy. We live in a Madisonian republic that is a compromise at best. It is the best compromise on the planet.

As a fellow HAM and tube device enthusiast, I appreciate your passion and love the debate. Let's agree that LED lamps use less energy and despite how we got here, that part is a good thing.

Oops! Popester is right. My soap box is put away.

I would love no better than to move to some god-forsaken place where I could get away from QRM. This doesn't include West Virginia. I'd put up a small house off the grid with my equipment where I can DX without interference of any kind. Unfortunately, the chance of my dream becoming real is slim to none. Is wanting to be a "DX hermit" a bad thing? And yes, I would TV DX too!

You want RF quiet? Move to Arecibo, Puerto Rico, near the radio telescope there. There certainly isn't any cellular near there. I had responsibility for the cellular system in PR and I know there is nothing RF anywhere near there. They probably don't have many CFL and LED light bulbs down there either.

You don't need to worry about driving into Detroit. Just take M-14 as it splits away near Ann Arbor, then take Northbound I-96 to Farmington.

FWIW, I work in Detroit Proper every weekday. As long as you're minding your own business, not looking for a "date", or drugs, and don't cause trouble, you'll be okay.

Heh, my home has RFI spattered all over the place, custom built computers running at ghz speeds (4 of them) wired network in the walls, wi-fi, audio-video equip .. :o

When I worked for BellSouth, I would go down to the bottom floor of our parking deck which was six stories underground to perform tests where I didn't want any interfering RF signals. It was very dead RF-wise down there.

OK, well like I said I'll see what I can do, like I said I've never driven around Detroit before and I've always heard bad things about driving around there, that's why I always avoid driving around that area of Michigan.

Actually, from coming up from Indiana, you’ll never cross into the city of Detroit. As far as big cities go, Detroit is really pretty tame. If you drive in Saturday morning, you can probably average above 70 mph the entire way. It will be on at least a divided interstate the entire way. If you make the trip, of which I believe you enjoy, let me know and I’ll post a map.

My form of RF quiet is central Wyoming. There's hardly nobody there and in the winter it is "all you can stand" blizzard. 300 miles in diameter absolute quiet. No power lines, no dimmers, modems, led or fluorescent lights, no cars and no transmitters of any kind. Oh, and no vehicles of any kind including aircraft!

The closest highway to me that would take me that way would be US 12 which would take me most of the way there and is 55 MPH most of the way (except when you go through towns like White Pidgeon, Coldwater, Three Oaks, Mottville, etc. then the speed limit drops down to about 35-45 MPH Depending on the Village Chief (pun intended)).

Like I said I would have to check my schedule although I work on Friday and Saturday nights 3rd shift so I may not be able to make it unfortunately.