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Kevin Kuehn 09-10-2021 12:36 PM

For what it's worth your L22(Philco 32-4754-3) crosses to Thordarson HS-16.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23403929297...IAAOSwy9pguZCy

madlabs 09-10-2021 03:24 PM

Wow. You guys are awesome. I am going to try running the set with the coil shorted out. Last night the contrast and everything was out of whack from pulling the knobs off and pulling the chassis out. So I will see how well it runs as is. I did pull one of the dead coils from my parts board and it appears the open is inside. I may try peeling some wire off to see if I can find it. But if it runs ok as is I will go with "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Because every time you perform surgery there is a chance of screwing something else up.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Kuehn (Post 3236348)
For what it's worth your L22(Philco 32-4754-3) crosses to Thordarson HS-16.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23403929297...IAAOSwy9pguZCy

Again, wow! Thanks for not only looking up the cross reference but linking the part for sale on ebay! I couldn't click but it now fast enough!

Now, back to some tile work. Flipping real life is such a pain. But I will fool with the set again later.

Thanks! I really, truly mean that.

old_coot88 09-10-2021 04:12 PM

If you can find the break in that coil, there's a neat method of stripping hair-fine wire without mechanically abrading it, called the 'aspirin trick'.:D No lie, it really works. Put an aspirin tablet on something like a jar lid. Use a soldering iron (or gun) to heat the aspirin so it forms a puddle. Dip the end of the wire in it, and the hot acetacylic acid strips it clean. The fumes are gawdawful, so use plenty of ventilation. :yuck:

Yamamaya42 09-10-2021 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madlabs (Post 3236351)
Wow. You guys are awesome. I am going to try running the set with the coil shorted out. Last night the contrast and everything was out of whack from pulling the knobs off and pulling the chassis out. So I will see how well it runs as is. I did pull one of the dead coils from my parts board and it appears the open is inside. I may try peeling some wire off to see if I can find it. But if it runs ok as is I will go with "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Because every time you perform surgery there is a chance of screwing something else up.



Again, wow! Thanks for not only looking up the cross reference but linking the part for sale on ebay! I couldn't click but it now fast enough!

Now, back to some tile work. Flipping real life is such a pain. But I will fool with the set again later.

Thanks! I really, truly mean that.

oddly enough
that is exactly the same part that they are selling in the link I posted above from Talon!
Item #
COIL152
Other Part Numbers
GE WT36X402 RCA 111380
and they have 3!
not so hard to find after all!

madlabs 09-10-2021 06:07 PM

Took a break from tile and fired up the set. It looks really good. So I am of a mind to leave it alone. And I have the sub part coming so if it becomes a problem I am ready.

One question I have, is if I am going to run it shorted would it be better to tack a resistor instead of a wire to short out the coil? I just want to make sure that too much current isn't flowing.

Again, thanks. I'm gonna have a beer and watch Honey West later.

madlabs 09-10-2021 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Kuehn (Post 3236348)
For what it's worth your L22(Philco 32-4754-3) crosses to Thordarson HS-16.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23403929297...IAAOSwy9pguZCy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamamaya42 (Post 3236353)
oddly enough
that is exactly the same part that they are selling in the link I posted above from Talon!
Item #
COIL152
Other Part Numbers
GE WT36X402 RCA 111380
and they have 3!
not so hard to find after all!

I guess not! And thanks for the link. This really is the place for old TV's.

Tube TV 09-10-2021 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old_coot88 (Post 3236352)
If you can find the break in that coil, there's a neat method of stripping hair-fine wire without mechanically abrading it, called the 'aspirin trick'.:D No lie, it really works. Put an aspirin tablet on something like a jar lid. Use a soldering iron (or gun) to heat the aspirin so it forms a puddle. Dip the end of the wire in it, and the hot acetacylic acid strips it clean. The fumes are gawdawful, so use plenty of ventilation. :yuck:

Never heard of that one before. Thanks for the tip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by madlabs (Post 3236356)
Took a break from tile and fired up the set. It looks really good. So I am of a mind to leave it alone. And I have the sub part coming so if it becomes a problem I am ready.

One question I have, is if I am going to run it shorted would it be better to tack a resistor instead of a wire to short out the coil? I just want to make sure that too much current isn't flowing.

Again, thanks. I'm gonna have a beer and watch Honey West later.

Good to hear you found out what the probem was madlabs. I doubt you have much to worry about with overcurrent, but you could put a low ohm small resistor in there and try it.

old_coot88 09-10-2021 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madlabs (Post 3236356)

One question I have, is if I am going to run it shorted would it be better to tack a resistor instead of a wire to short out the coil? I just want to make sure that too much current isn't flowing.

There's already that 15K resistor in series with it which limits current (plate load resistor R62). There'd be no advantage in adding another resistor.

madlabs 09-11-2021 09:50 AM

Well, it is indeed working. Instead of beer I had some slivovitz and watched 5 episodes of Honey West. The set is working great. So I will emulate Madman Muntz and just leave the coil shorted.

Duh, of course there is a 15k resistor in series so a low ohm resistor wouldn't change anything. Sorry old_coot, I should have looked at the schematic and engaged my brain before posting.

While I have it out I am going to play around with the sound. I started running it through the stereo because it was buzzy. I will start by redoing the fine tuning/ audio inductor adjustment. I didn't have my plastic diddle sticks with me. I will bring them next week.

Tom9589 09-11-2021 10:20 AM

This reply is slightly OT, but it might explain the repeated failures of this coil. I had to replace over the years all four speakers in my Suburban. Every time it was the same fault. The wire coming from one side of the voice coil broke at the point of connection to a larger wire. The person assembling the speaker obviously didn't know of old_coot88's trick with the aspirin. I suspect that the assembler was using a sharp (dull?) blade to scrape the annealing off of the wire and damaged the fine wire in the process.

I finally gave up on GM speakers and switched brands. No more problems.

Electronic M 09-11-2021 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom9589 (Post 3236372)
This reply is slightly OT, but it might explain the repeated failures of this coil. I had to replace over the years all four speakers in my Suburban. Every time it was the same fault. The wire coming from one side of the voice coil broke at the point of connection to a larger wire. The person assembling the speaker obviously didn't know of old_coot88's trick with the aspirin. I suspect that the assembler was using a sharp (dull?) blade to scrape the annealing off of the wire and damaged the fine wire in the process.

I finally gave up on GM speakers and switched brands. No more problems.

In my suburban the cone suspension foam rotted too...I saw $80 a pop for OEM replacements and indignantly hard passed on OEM.

old_coot88 09-11-2021 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madlabs (Post 3236369)
The set is working great. So I will emulate Madman Muntz and just leave the coil shorted.

The coil and its paralleled cap were probably intended to stabilize the circuit against thermal drift. So when the set is warmed up good, you might wanta watch whether the H lock point is drifting off (or not).

Yamamaya42 09-12-2021 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old_coot88 (Post 3236398)
The coil and its paralleled cap were probably intended to stabilize the circuit against thermal drift. So when the set is warmed up good, you might wanta watch whether the H lock point is drifting off (or not).

exactly, it was put there for a reason, AND you can get one to replace it, so it makes no sense not to put one back in IMOH.

madlabs 09-12-2021 09:15 AM

Well, I watched it for 4 hours and it was rock solid. When the replacement part comes I will look at piggy backing it as old_coot88 suggested. The thing with the Predicta board is 28 wires plus the ground stakes make it difficult to remove. It isn't just the hassle, removing the ground stakes really heats up the board and it is hard to remove it once un-soldered without twisting the board. So it is fairly invasive surgery and all surgery has risks. So unless I cannot get satisfactory performance without the coil or with the coil piggy backed I am reluctant to pull the board.

Next week I am going to try to improve the sound. If it turns out that requires removing the board I will do so. It really isn't laziness, it is risk VS gain.

Tom9589 09-12-2021 09:02 PM

Tom C., I had rotted suspension rings as well. I found a company in the Tampa area which sold replacement rings. Very easy to repair with good results. I even replaced the ring on the big sub-woofer in the very back. It's a 2 ohm speaker with a very high price tag.


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