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vortalexfan 03-10-2023 03:29 PM

I did try operating it with the RCA Output jacks and the video outputted onto the screen is the same, but I did notice that when I dinked around with the RF Modulator's channel 3/channel 4 switch on the back of the vcr the picture cleared up a little bit but then it went back to being a garbled mess.

Is the Video signal outputted to the TV screen controlled by the same circtuitry regardless of if its being put out through the RF Modulator or if its being put out through the RCA outputs? Or are the RCA Outputs and the RF Modulator Video outputs separate circuits in the VCR? :scratch2:

I'm so close to getting this VCR going, and the only thing holding me back right now is the video output signal right now. :sigh: :tears:

redk9258 03-10-2023 03:45 PM

Maybe it's a cold solder joint or crappy connection somewhere. By moving that switch you are causing vibration. I'd poke around with a wooden chopstick or something.

I would think that the composite signal is sent to the RF modulator.

vortalexfan 03-10-2023 06:16 PM

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Maybe it's a cold solder joint or crappy connection somewhere. By moving that switch you are causing vibration. I'd poke around with a wooden chopstick or something.

I would think that the composite signal is sent to the RF modulator.

I'm not sure what's going on with it, I know that if I take the audio board and the servo board and the Chroma/Luma boards off the VCR fiddle with the wire cable connections and then put the VCR back together the video will go back to normal but then if I do a Forward or Reverse Search then the video goes bonkers again for no apparent reason, and I'm not sure what's going on with it and why it does that. I have a screen cap of what it looks like when the video is going beserk.

The Video when its working properly gives a rock solid still image (pause) and the picture during playback is really clear and probably the best picture I have seen on an old 4-head VCR.

Also apparently the SP mode is only mostly fixed because while it puts out a picture and audio that is normal sounding and looking you can still kind of hear a little bit of a "drag" in the speech but just barely and then there are lines that go across the screen periodically, its acting almost like the video is paused and you're doing a frame search, but its actually playing and has audio.

If any of this makes any sense to you.

vortalexfan 03-10-2023 06:24 PM

As for the PV-1650 I'm waiting for the play idler tire to get rebuilt by Gary over at the Voice of Music Enthusiasts, because its one of those Idler Tire assemblies that you had to replace the whole assembly or get it rebuilt because the rubber tire portion of it was permanently affixed to the metal shaft, and the rubber was petrified on it so it wasn't allowing it to grip the take-up reel drum so it could play a tape, so I sent it off to Gary to have it rebuilt so that hopefully I can get that VCR checked out for functionality as well, and maybe see if I can get a remote located for it.

The rebuilt idler is supposed to be done and mailed back to me by the 21st of March.

vortalexfan 03-12-2023 11:51 AM

OK, well a little update on the PV-1750 VCR, I tried it out again today and it worked just fine today, and the speeds were working as they should.

But there now seems to be a video issue for sure, but I'm not sure what's causing it or why its doing it, because its kind of random.

I was playing an old tape in it just now and it was playing perfectly but then I heard what sounded like the video heads (the head that spins around in the VCR) revving up a little bit and then slowing down back to the normal speed after awhile, and when it did this the video being outputted by the vcr lost horizontal sync (the horizontal hold went crazy) but then when the video head went back to normal speed the picture went back to normal but with a slightly off center picture that would bounce back and forth between the right and left hand side of the screen before finally going back to normal.

I know I've heard about capacitors going bad on the board that controls the video head rotation/speed but I'm not sure what board does that in this VCR, I know this VCR has 2 "Control Boards" but I'm not sure which of those boards if any of them would control the video head.

Thanks for your help in this matter.

vortalexfan 03-13-2023 01:26 PM

Its finally working! I just left the VCR plugged in over night and tried it out this morning and its been working fine ever since.
I watched Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon all the way through without any issues. :banana: :thmbsp:

redk9258 03-13-2023 04:01 PM

I'll bet it's a cap that's bad. Maybe leaving it powered on reformed it.

vortalexfan 03-13-2023 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by redk9258 (Post 3249450)
I'll bet it's a cap that's bad. Maybe leaving it powered on reformed it.

That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure where the cap was, or what board to begin to look at for that cap, because there are about a dozen circuit boards inside of this VCR and some of them aren't the easiest to get to, and the Sam's wasn't much help in regards to telling me which board controlled what, and they didn't really have a troubleshooting section in the manual to trace down certain issues with.

vortalexfan 04-05-2023 10:27 AM

Well I just started working on the PV-1650 VCR the other day and I replaced all of the Belts and had the play idler rebuilt by Gary over at the Voice of Music Enthusiasts and the VCR is still having issues with not wanting to play a tape after loading the tape up to the heads.

I have a copy of the Factory Service Manual from Panasonic that I got from Sam's which they sent me that because they didn't have their own service manual for the PV-1650 uploaded into their server database and that manual was very helpful (a lot more helpful than the Sam's Photofact manual for the PV-1750 was).

I figured out that there is a board that specifically drives/controls the loading and playback mechanism of the VCR (more or less the logic board for the VCR that controls whether the VCR mechanism plays, rewinds, fast-forwards, pauses, etc.) and so I removed that board from the VCR and looked it over and sure enough basically every single capacitor on that board was bad (either dead or had an ESR measurement of 2 Ohms or higher) and was also leaking electrolyte.

So I'm working on recapping that logic board so I can see if that will fix the VCR so it will play again.

Hopefully I'll have an update soon that will be a positive update where the VCR is working again (or at least mostly working again.)

redk9258 04-07-2023 05:19 AM

Good luck!

vortalexfan 05-17-2023 08:56 PM

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An Update on the PV-1750:

I had an issue with it not working again and it turned out that the Audio Board and the Servo board both had some higher capacitance capacitors on them that I wasn't able to change previously because I didn't have those capacitors on hand, the servo board had a 100μF 16V capacitor and a 220μF 16V capacitor and the Audio board had a 220μF 16V capacitor that all three of those caps were leaking electrolyte out of the bottom, and so when I was finally able to replace them, the VCR started working properly again and its been working fine since.

The only thing I've noticed is that, when I go to turn on my 1974 GTE/Sylvania 25" Color Console TV that I have it hooked up to (so I can have a vintage setup) and play a tape on the PV-1750 the fine tuning on the TV gets screwed up and I have to re-fine tune the tuner on the TV until the picture locks in, any ideas as to what might be causing that issue?

Attached is a picture showing a bag full of capacitors which are all of the capacitors I replaced in the PV-1750 VCR to get it going, the other picture is showing my 1974 GTE Sylvania 25" Color Console TV with my Panasonic PV-1750 VCR hooked up to it and sitting on top of it, which is my vintage/retro TV Setup for watching VHS movies on and playing my NES and SNES games on, also I've noticed that after un-pausing a video the picture takes a few seconds to stabilize once its stabilized the video is perfect and plays fine.

redk9258 05-17-2023 09:07 PM

Good work!

ARC Tech-109 05-18-2023 01:51 AM

The RF modulator is off frequency internally, don't know if they can be trimmed back. The electrolytic capacitors are always a problem. 35+ years of heat/cool cycles and rubber seal deterioration they're going to fail, some show it more than others. My first Sony DVW-A500 DigiBeta died from leaking electrolytics, they dissolved the traces from the PC boards.

vortalexfan 05-18-2023 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ARC Tech-109 (Post 3251083)
The RF modulator is off frequency internally, don't know if they can be trimmed back. The electrolytic capacitors are always a problem. 35+ years of heat/cool cycles and rubber seal deterioration they're going to fail, some show it more than others. My first Sony DVW-A500 DigiBeta died from leaking electrolytics, they dissolved the traces from the PC boards.

Thankfully none of the traces were damaged in this unit. :thmbsp:
And I was able to remove the capacitors without any damage to the solder pads.

As for the RF Modulator goes, I'm not sure if it can be adjusted or not, I'll have to look and see if the RF Modulator is actually removeable in the PV-1750, I know the PV-1650 has a removeable RF Modulator module that has adjustments, but I'm not sure about the 1750.

ARC Tech-109 05-19-2023 08:09 AM

Most were a module as some areas needed a channel 2/3 or 3/4, I've even seen a channel 5/6 that was in a JVC Vidstar. Sony used a trimmer cap in theirs but anything goes with Matsushita, you could try tweaking the core slug in the modulator to see if that shifts the frequency enough for your sets AFC to grab on to, the other issue might be the AFC in the set is thermal and cold causes it to drift outside it's range. Without actually checking the carrier of the sources against a known standard it's difficult to say whos drifting around. I use a Motorola R2670 service monitor for my reference, it's only +8hz off a Stamford FS725 rubiduim standard on the 9th harmonic.


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