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I have the same exact rabbit ears, my parents got them when they were married in 1959. I still use them on my 1982 Zenith.
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I've got a set too. They were too cool to pass up. Have yet to hook them up and see if they paint the corners...
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Still digging into the vertical issue. Removed the chassis, triple checked all capacitors, re-did all the solder points to be safe.
Swapped out both Vert OSC (6BF6) and Vert Output (6DT5) with some good NOS tubes. Replaced R50 with a new resistor. Still got vertical collapse. - I guess I could work backwards from 6DT5? Set the line voltage to 117v AC. When checking 6DT5 I got the following voltages:
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If all the vertical voltages measure normal you may want to check the output transformer, and yoke and their connections to each other. |
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(Vert Mult / AGC clamper) I believe pin#7 is the output that feeds into 6DT5 Tube? I was able to vary the voltage of pin#7 between 7.47 to 11v, but no higher than 11. (using the vertical adjustment pot) Voltage spec: 25v Reading: 7.47-to-11v Some good news: Im getting clear audio out from the TV- was broadcasting signal on channel #7 with my Blonder Tongue. Checked the Yoke- Ohm reads are within spec. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a564f4c4_c.jpgtube by Thomas Duncan, on Flickr |
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Good Morning - Just a quick note - Things to check - On pin 3-6 of V10 the vert output, put your finger or a DVM probe on it with nothing attached and see if the line on the screen moves up or down, or if you can put any 60Hz signal on it like from a Signal gen, or radio speaker on it there should be deflection. If none - then you should check for any voltage on the plate of V10, since there is no deflection, it should be completely safe, looking for about 280V. If nothing, track through the T2 to see if you have it or if T2 has open windings. If you get deflection when you touch G1 of V10, then you have to go Back into the Osc, Don't forget to look at the feedback loop through R45, & 46. Also, most important - Since this tv worked before you replaced parts, keep an open mind to the possibility that you wired something wrong, My money is on a mistake in wiring or part placement. Also, see that 25ma current reading for the cathode of V10, that is often printed where they tell you not to measure the plate voltage, You can lift one side of R51 and check the current, to see if the tubie is conducting. Also be ready to check voltages on V9 as well.... Also - The Vert Hold has a plug & socket in the schematic - If you have this on your tv be sure to check that if you had to undo it to work on the set.... Good Luck! . |
You don't have to lift anything to see if the vert. out is conducting. Just look for voltage on the cathode; if there's voltage, the tube is conducting. And it'll vary with turning the v linearity pot (no matter whether sweep is occuring or not).
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I'm always open to me making a mistake, perhaps I just haven't seen it yet. I did replace capacitors one at a time, while using tape to mark the wire connections (as to not lose track of the positions when replacing) C2 did blow up - which is the reason why I replaced ALL capacitors at the same time, I probably should have replaced JUST C2 first and done testing. I assume when I touch pins 3-through-6 of V10 it will cause the output plate of V10 to cause vertical deflection? Why does the schematic say "DO NOT MEASURE" the plate output / Pin# 9 of V10? - The voltage doesn't seem THAT high? |
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Okay I think I found it. I did make a wiring mistake!
C35 was connected to the wrong pin of V9 / 6BF6. I must have been distracted, but its clearly on the wrong terminal. Check the before/after photos below. C35 was replaced with a MICA cap. .0051 uF @ 500v I will remove the capacitor, check it, and reinstall (if okay) on the correct pin. I wonder if this could have caused any harm? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2ebd783c_b.jpgUntitled by Thomas Duncan, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a564f4c4_c.jpgtube by Thomas Duncan, on Flickr |
Perhaps not, is worth to testing the TV now.
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"I assume when I touch pins 3-through-6 of V10 it will cause the output plate of V10 to cause vertical deflection? " The Schematic says pin 3-6 which is usually pins 3&6 not 3,4,5,6 as in 3-through-6 you can see some pins to to heaters etc. Other stuff.... Also - " The DC voltage yes, will not that high. But, with deflection working, the retrace pulse/period produces a high amplitude spike in the primary, sometimes near 1.6kV. This for every frame, aka. 60 times per second of these pulses (for vertical stage; 50 times for a lot of another countries). " Correct. As long as the circuit is not functioning, no deflection, you can check the plate, in a vert. or horiz. output circuit. And that is why in a case where "Do Not Measure" is printed they often give a cathode current number you can check. And proper way to check is to put the current meter in the circuit by removing one leg of a resistor, or whatever runs from cathode to ground. This is best practice. In this circuit you are also given a voltage you can measure, but there is a reason they give you current, and you should do it right, it can show other problems in an otherwise working "looking" circuit. Too high a current often means bias trouble, for example. Cool that you found a possible cause for this trouble! Good Night. . |
And we got vertical!
It was just a wiring mistake on C35. I still need to fine-tune everything, but its working well. I was told not to run the vertical width to "fill the picture tube" as that's overdriving the unit and hard on the parts? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...393d0af4_h.jpgPXL_20240819_215644784 by Thomas Duncan, on Flickr |
I believe that the correct size fill and linearity for the vertical will not over stress the parts.
But, the image show here are not fill in horizontal direction... the image feed have the lateral bars, or the horizontal needs some adjustment? EDITED: changed the question. |
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As a general rule the proper setup is to have the screen just filled (maybe 1" of overscan) in both axes at the lowest line voltage you would run the set at. Some sets don't give width control so you get what you get or have to improvise.
Shango tends to give that vertical underscan advice but it's mostly chicken shit because 1.) no TV maker or repair shop would EVER do that back when these were in service, 2.) it doesn't allow proper geometry unless you can also adjust for matching horizontal underscan. The one place vertical underscan is somewhat advisable in consumer TVs is on 60s color Zeniths...those Zeniths tend to short between secondaries from insufficient insulation and on those sets underscan lowers the risk. Someone is rebuilding those transformers now so it's not that big of a deal anymore. |
I need to get a proper antenna for my Blonder Tongue, but so far I got the TV adjusted pretty good I think.
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Hello fellow "big mamma" Maggie 24AHP4.owner! :D:banana:
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Oh! We're these tubes considered big in the early 1960's? |
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I got it all for free, as it was just a chassis and CRT from a set that someone made into a pet bed, It's a newer one than yours, but still uses a 24AHP4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvMHr4-WO8s |
I did end up re-coating the missing wax area of my flyback with silicone.
Everything worked great, I gave it 48+ hours to cure. Silicone info is listed below. Also picked up a spare NOS flyback to keep as a spare. I think I need to re-cap the power supply to my Blonder Tongue, I'm getting a rolling bar on the screen. Rolls from bottom to the top. This occurs on both my CRT TV's. Brand name: Momentive / SNAPSIL Model RTV: RTV-133 Silicone Rubber It's been reported good to use on flyback transformers, and carries the following traits:
I've got a MSDS sheet listed here for more reading/ spec. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c30e8855_c.jpgPXL_20240815_205641719 by Thomas Duncan, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2604c425_c.jpgPXL_20240820_230248590 by Thomas Duncan, on Flickr |
Judjung by the photos, it seems that the CRT is very healthy, low hours probably, and alignment seems to be excellent, due to good image details. Excellent score! :banana:
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I left a sticker inside the unit with my phone # and a QR code that takes you directly to this forum thread.
Quick video link of the unit running: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaZr0C5sDT8 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...246e7685_c.jpgPXL_20240822_002306602~2 (1) by Thomas Duncan, on Flickr |
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It isn't my biggest monochrome picture though....at 5' diagonal the picture my Norelco protelgram duo-vue projector can throw onto a screen is fairly impressive...as well as dim. Quote:
Granted that hum bar isn't always caused by caps.... sometimes they're happier (read don't develop bars from hum loops) being ungrounded or even isolated from the grid...my main BT rack is powered by an isolation transformer and a PC in that rack is plugged in to an adapter that ungrounds the cord. |
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TV is still running great!
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Lost control of my contrast setting.
Upon inspection it was just the cable connection, ended up stripping the wire back and re-soldering. All good! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a805edbd_c.jpgPXL_20250413_010749060 by Thomas Duncan https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...75f21c15_c.jpgPXL_20250413_012026982 by Thomas Duncan, |
Felt right to watch the recent Artemis launch on the Magnavox.
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