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old_tv_nut 06-04-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ceebee23 (Post 2975049)
Afterall movie film is 24fps!

Fink's Television Engineering Handbook lists the following flicker threshold luminance vs. flicker frequency (for large area flicker):

Movies 48 Hz, 20 ft-lamberts;
TV, 50 Hz, 29 ft-lamberts
TV, 60 Hz, 180 ft-lamberts

Also stated: A positive increase in flicker frequency of 12.6 Hz raises the luminance threshold ten times.

So, you can see that the visibility of flicker is strongly dependent on image brightness.

It also states that the threshold is strongly dependent on the size of the flickering area, the surround brightness, and etc.

NewVista 06-04-2010 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ppppenguin (Post 2974996)
Keeping hum out of the entire broadcast chain wasn't easy. Hence it's a natural choice to lock field to mains.

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I can see now why they were compelled to do that in those days

wa2ise 06-05-2010 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by old_tv_nut (Post 2975054)
Movies 48 Hz, 20 ft-lamberts;
TV, 50 Hz, 29 ft-lamberts
TV, 60 Hz, 180 ft-lamberts

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It also states that the threshold is strongly dependent on the size of the flickering area, the surround brightness, and etc.

I found that I needed to set my CRT based 17 inch VGA monitor to 85Hz to avoid flicker. It's only moderately bright, but only 40cm from my nose. That would relate to a large area as seen by my eye.

ppppenguin 06-05-2010 03:21 AM

The last post makes the point well. The peripheral vision of eye (rods) is MUCH more sensitive to large area flicker than the central zone (cones). You sit much close to a computer monitor than a TV so it subtends a much larger angle. Hence flicker is much more noticeable. That's why 60Hz on a TV is usually OK but is truly horrible on a computer monitor.

You can argue that 50Hz and 60z are not OK for HDTV because they subtend a larger angle than SDTV when used at the intended viewing distance. LCD displays inherently have no large area flicker. Other types such as plasma might well benefit from up conversion to 100/120Hz.

NowhereMan 1966 06-10-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ppppenguin (Post 2974759)
The UK was the first country outside the US (and Japan?) to have CTV.

Some good reasons for taking so long:
Never Twice Same Colour
Cost - at both RX and TX ends

Actually NTSC can work perfectly well with modern technology and a lot of care.

IIRC, I think Cuba was an early adopter of NTSC TV in 1957, IIRC. Havana had a color station before Miami did.


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