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Nice find Doug, I have faith that a nice, clear picture will be on that set very soon:yes:
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what a great set.the picture on a hybrid zenith is as good as any ever made.we had very few of those in the shop days.when we did get them,the picture was unbelievable.i remember once we had a fairly new sylvania 19 with an inline black matrix crt.along side it was a hybrid zenith.the zenith blew away the sylvania.much brighter and sharper.everyone who came in the shop made the same comment.gave me the idea for the 70s showdown in my shop over a year ago.love to find me a zenith hybrid!
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Considering these are zenith's economy set at the time, the picture was fenominal. Lots of TV shops used to hate me calling asking for tubes parts etc. when I was a kid when I would mess around with these. There was only one shop and its gone now "Kens TV" in Lombard. I specifically remember him telling me how many of these 4 tubers he sold and how great they were. He said people would walk in the shop and see one going and it was sold right now, nothing could compete "and to this day, you can't beat the picture on one of those" he said. I agree.
I imagine these outsold much of the competition at the time hence why I used to find so many of them. Great sets they are. Ironically, I was just telling mark the other day that if I let go any of my parts 4 tube hybrid sets, I'll need something right away. Sure enough, it almost happened. I've got one of these in complete junk condition but working. It'll be the new parts set to get this one going. I guess I better keep my 4 tuber parts sets, you never know what you need. I've been working on so many RCA sets lately, it'll be nice to be "back home" working on a Zenith again. |
The "Steen?" Where did they get that name? I wonder what the other model names were that year, too.
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I've seen talk before on AK/VK about the Zenith 4-tube hybrids. I'm just really curious what functions the "last" 4 tubes did (guess: HO, damper, HV and focus?).
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How 'bout that! Two hybrids saved in one weekend. :)
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You're search on the name "Steen" led me to investigate the other names in the Zenith catalog. For the longest time, I couldn't understand the meanings of all these names for the TV's. They were always European surnames though. The mystery has finally been solved. I checked many of the names from the Zenith catalogs and all of the names are indeed well known european painters and artists from about the 17th century. It makes sense why they chose those names considering TV's also produce an image. If I knew anything about european art, perhaps I could have saw a pattern in this long ago... I noticed that some of the names in the 60's brochures are named after chicago suburbs like "The Lombard", "The Lisle", "The Glen Ellyn" and "The Berwyn" for example. I always thought that was interesting too as that was one obvious pattern I picked up on. Thanks wayne. |
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I wonder just how common those last gasp 4-tube hybrids really are? Since a 19" color TV was still expensive back then, I'm sure many people bought the hybrid models to save money. I have one of these last gasp sets, you found one in an old house, and Doug has the one he recently found and I seem to remember him finding another one a year or two ago that was more beat up. So, they are out there.
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My guess is that it was just a thread-bump...not a bad idea since he's found some amazing stuff lately!!:thmbsp:
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Actually it was me trying to load up a pdf of some combos from the '67 zenith brochure. It was a failed attempt, so I deleted it in place of "---". I should be able to set up a link with adobe but its not working right now.
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You might want to try and find a third-party free PDF host. I Googled and found this one:
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Estate Sale Find 3-20-10
There were only a couple sales today, after a very nice week that showed signs of spring, we got hit with a decent snowfall today.
Todays sale was at 508 W. Campbell St, in Arlington Heights, IL. This was a very well kept home, everything in it was excellent. Another home of those in the Greatest Generation, many WWII items and photos, all of which sell quickly to war buffs. Its sad to keep going to sales like this. The line was a long wait, so I decided to check out what was all in the garage while waiting. Interstingly enough, I find yet another Zenith 4 tube hybrid. This one is a 1972 model C4030W and it was still on the Zenith optional gusdorf cart, all in tact and in excellent condition with both antennas. This is an example of a high end 4 tube hybrid models. Kind of ironic I find a cheapie last week and the high end one this week. This has all the features like backlight tuning, AFC, Tint Gaurd. It still had clean "house dust" on it, so it must have been brought in the garage prior to the sale. No way it was in the garage for any long period of time. It looked like the TV was in the pile of things to be thrown out, so I figured it didn't work. I asked the lady outside, she had no idea where in the house it was. I asked how much and she says $10.00 for it and I paid outside. When I got in, I asked about the TV and the guy running the show claimed it was in the bedroom with the small bed. He said I could have it....too late, I already paid outside! I didn't ask for my money back, Im not that cheap! The house was small, tons of stuff and way too many people inside. They needed all the room they could get so that explains why the TV got put in the garage including many other contents of the home. Lastly, I found one of my favorite Zenith console stereos. Its a lowboy danish modern unit from 1967. It was not their highest end, but its right in the middle. I always liked the tuning controls on the mid priced units. This one had the manuals and papers, bought new from Central Service (as usual in chicago) and set up on 6-1-67. Still in their dining room playing and sounding great. The phono needs work, its jammed up but the cartridge is good. The brushing of the finger under the tone arm to see how much output came from the speaker verified this. Im sure its the usual dried out grease that turns into "adhesive". Once I get home, I got the stereo unloaded safely and then brought the TV in the house to try it out. As I turned it on for the first time, I waited for the warm up and then the HV crackle with nice bright snow. I tuned in my UHF transmitter on channel 18 and it has the typical razor sharp picture like these are supposed to. Its 38 years old, looks like it was never serviced and it still works perfect. We'll never see this quality in consumer electronics ever again. http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2008.JPG http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2017.JPG http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2018.JPG Supposedly, the Zenith 4 tuber was somewhere in this upstairs bedroom. http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2020.JPG http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2014.JPG http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2015.JPG http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2016.JPG http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2047.JPG http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2063.JPG |
My great uncle had that exact same tv in on a stand in his kitchen. It quit working about 10 years ago and got tossed. I have a heavy portable Zenith record player from 67 with that exact same changer. It works but not great.
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Nice finds! I especially like that stereo console. I'm not much for SS stereo consoles; but, if I ever found one of these '60's handwired Zenith's, I'd bring it home. An older lady at my old church had one like that. She never used it; but, wouldn't consider getting rid of it (I tried many times). She passed away a few years ago and God only knows what her son did with it.
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V-M changer should be an easy fix. I know that Zenith used V-M at least through the early 70's - when I was in college I had one of V-M's last designs badged "Zenith" in (of all things) a '65 GE console stereo.
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Great finds, Doug...But that pic of y'all standin' outside in the blizzard made me shudder...72 & GORGEOUS here ystrday...
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Nice finds Doug! You saved that hybrid from the jaws of death!
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Oh yeah, I would have had to buy the sofa behind the TV :)
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when i worked for billy back in the day,we sold tons of those hybrid zeniths.they were customers choice over the solid state rcas,maggies,etc.the picture quality was superb.i remember once when a gentleman came in and asked for a 19 inch set for his bedroom.must be solid state!dont want any tube junk!walks into a used tv shop and asks for the latest set.we had several 1-2 year old sets on display.in the corner was a zenith hybrid.he glanced at the newer stuff and then meandered over to the zenith.this is a good picture,he said.no,this is the best picture.how old?billy told him and he couldnt believe it.it has tubes.so he walked away.looked at something,but kept going back to the zenith.he left the store.one hour later he comes rushing in.did you sell that tv?is it too late?he bought the tube junk zenith.picture quality alone was the selling point.we got another one in and he bought that one too plus a zenith flat chassis for the living room.that was in 1979-80.but,alas,these zeniths are gone here in central ohio.
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Estate Sale Finds 3-27-10
Eight estate sales on todays route, two of them turned up good stuff. First sale was at 1100 N 15th ave in Melrose Park, IL. In the living room was a nice clean 1966 RCA Victor CTC-25 combo unit. As soon as I walked in the lady at the door said that prices were negotiable on EVERYTHING and when I asked about the price of the combo a few minutes later, I was told its half priced so $50.00. I asked if they'd take $40 and I get jumped on: "we just told you it was $50.00, and thats a good deal". Apparently they forgot that they told me ALL PRICES WERE NEGOTIABLE so I to remind them of what they told me as soon as I walked in the door. So they decided to let it go for no less than $45.00. Now Im not that much of a cheap skate, but when you tell someone prices are negotiable and then you don't honor your word, thats pretty unprofessional considering an estate sale company was running the sale. The TV didn't work and the radio phono didn't work either. Typical solid state RCA radio chassis, it has that 60hz hum with the worst filter cap in electronics history in there. I've never seen a good one. Its a cardboard cap with the wax in the end and the leads coming out of it. Very high values like 2000uF@35v.
TV has no HV. Who knows, the fly could be toast or perhaps an open rectifier. Yay, the model number tag got ripped off too. At least there is slight evidence of what it once was. The fun wasn't over yet....I had to have someone help me move the TV and I normally give the person who helps me a few dollars. Well this guy at the sale offered to help me. I offered him a few bucks to do so. Ironically, he also bought a TV too and he asked if I could help him out. His was an early 90's zenith (and yes it still worked!). I helped him load it in his van and then he helped me load the combo in my truck. It was an easy move, just out the front door, down the steps and into the truck. I told him I'd "Give him a few bucks for helping me out as I really appriciated the help otherwise I would have been SOL" so I gave him $5 as thats all I had left in cash. The guy gets all pissed off "hey, c'mon man, whats this? I just saved your ass moving this thing, c'mon five bucks thats it?" I couldn't believe he said that, I never had anyone complain about a tip. I threw it back at him "Didn't I just help you out?" Another idiot who doesn't remember...I helped move his TV ALSO! But I guess because mine was so big and heavy that me helping him move a smaller 25" TV doesn't count. What a jerk. The next sale was at 815 N Elmhurst Rd in Mount Prospect. I found a 1969 Zenith console stereo. A very nice danish modern cabinet. It only works with one dead channel which seems to be so common on these. It seems like 75% of the Zenith stereos I find have a dead channel of some sort. That was an easy move though, people that are running the sale are there to help you move stuff most of the time and it goes really well. http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2287.JPG http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2280.JPG http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2281.JPG http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2283.JPG http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2284.JPG http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2294.JPG http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2290.JPG http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ta1B_ryr8bE/S6...0/DSCF2291.JPG |
Nice finds! I really like that RCA combo! I wonder if that Zenith is old enough to still be handwired. I've ran into a lot of SS stereo's from the '60's with a dead/weak channel and it's almost always those horrible electrolytic caps that they used back then. It just so happens that I took in a '66 SS RCA console stereo for repair just today and it had a defective filter cap. After that was replaced, one channel was very weak. Upon looking at the main chassis, it is full of those horrible black cased and silver cased electrolytic caps.
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WHo made that changer in the '65 combo? I know I've seen them before.
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what a day you had ,doug.all prices are negotiable and then wouldnt honor it?
and the guy who helped with the combo scoffing at a 5 dollar tip?wasnt your day.i dont know how many times me and my son had helped someone carry a big item and not expect anything.josh would never take money for it.i wouldnt either.what a jerk!i dont think i would have wanted that combo that bad.she could have sat on it for awhile.sorry you had to go through that.zenith stereo is nice though! |
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Maybe they thought they had negotiated the price down on the combo, as the original price was $100. Were they trying to sell it as "vintage", because at that price that is a might bit steep considering that none of it was being sold in working condition.
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Love that combo Doug! That cabinet style is really neat! It's got one of my favorite changers as well. AUdubon5425, I think that is an RCA built changer. I could be wrong, but I think there was a few models they made that were't farmed out to BSR or another company.
As for the 25 chassis in that set, pretty good except for that damn tuner which I think was a 1 chassis design for RCA. Probably wouldn't be an issue now that one would use a VCR or converter box, but in the day of 3 or 4 local stations, you were always having to fine-tune them. The design on it is that you have to push in the channel selector knob to fine tune. |
TWO Zenith sets saved at ONE sale
As usual, let me know if you are interested. I can't keep these and they will be parted-out if there are no takers! It was me or the dumpster boys, so don't hate! :no:
Cabinets are in good shape, just dusty. Non-smoker, no-kid house. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...AzMTguanBn.jpg Surprise, surprise... it's a Zenith B&W set that hasn't been powered on in decades and it works fine. (No antenna) They were in a very nice, dry garage covered with an insane amount of dust. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...AzMTkuanBn.jpg Here we have a very similar cabinet (all the furniture was this style!) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...AzMTcuanBn.jpg and, no surprise here... It more/less worked. I was really surprised at the sharpness (just a low-power Canadian station using a UHF loop) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...AzMjMuanBn.jpg Grey scale needs touch up, but green gun does work, drive control is dirty. As usual, let me know if you are interested. I can't keep these and they will be parted-out if there are no takers! It was me or the dumpster boys, so don't hate! :no: |
Nice finds Chris,
Save the color console please. Its a 12A12C52 chassis, my favorite one. I have a good VHF knob for it too. I'll have tons and tons of room soon...... |
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