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Ed in Tx 07-17-2013 04:35 PM

I can honestly say I have repaired every brand listed, except maybe Electrohome, substitute "Video Concepts" that were made by Mitsvbishi in it's place and that list would be 100%. Pretty accurate rating, but surprised all the pre-'83 Panasonic-Quasar-RCA top-loaders with burned out sensor bulbs and TU clutch-arm ass'ys that would shut off in mid-tape, Pana's first front-loaders that would literally burn out FL motors and melt the R side FL frame from the heat, and later G chassis + SMPS VCRs that had pretty high mechanical and electrical failures from a technician's viewpoint, didn't pull down their rating.

waltchan 04-17-2020 03:41 AM

1980s VHS VCR 15-year median reliability data (1978-1993)...
 
(...UPDATE... as of 2021 year with new methodology used, and every VHS VCR brands listed from each OEM...)

Based on nearly 2,500,000 responses total to Consumer Reports' 1983 to 1993 Annual Questionnaires. Readers were asked about any repairs to VCRs bought new between 1978 and 1993. All are VHS format. Data have been standardized to eliminate differences among brands due solely to age and how much the VCRs were used.

FEWER-REPAIRS
<<<<<
  • 01 -- Panasonic/Quasar/Magnavox/Canon/General Electric/JCPenny/Philco/RCA/Sylvania (most-reliable)
  • 02 -- Toshiba/RCA/General Electric/ProScan
  • 03 -- Funai/Shintom/Symphonic/Multitech/Realistic/Sylvania/TEAC/Teknika/Toshiba/XR-1000
  • 04 -- JVC/Zenith/Magnavox/Kenwood/Tatung
  • 05 -- Sanyo/Sears/Fisher, after 1988
  • 06 -- Mitsubishi/MGA/Emerson/Video Concepts
  • 07 -- Orion/Emerson/Broksonic/Sansui/TMK
  • 08 -- Akai/Citizen *
  • 09 -- Sharp/Montgomery Ward/Realistic/Signature 2000/Admiral
  • 10 -- Samsung/RCA/Toshiba/General Electric/ProScan
  • 11 -- NEC/Harmon Kardon/Marantz/Yamaha
  • 12 -- Hitachi/RCA/Bang & Olufsen/General Electric/JCPenny/Minolta/Sears
  • 13 -- Daewoo/Capehart/Daytron *
  • 14 -- GoldStar/Zenith/LXI/JCPenny/Radio Shack/Sears/Totevision
  • 15 -- Fisher, before 1988 (least-reliable)
>>>>>
MORE-REPAIRS

(*) not listed, estimation only

WCV82 04-20-2020 02:01 AM

Interesting list, but one factor it could not take into account, and I am not sure how it could even verify, is the year and/or model number you purchased a particular brand.

For instance, the 1st VCR we had in our household was a Panasonic purchased in 1985. It finally crapped out around 1996.

After 1996 we purchased 3 more Panasonics at Kmart, all of which lasted at most 3 years.

Thus, all 4 VCRs purchased were Panasonics, 3 lasted 3 years at most (probably on average 2-2.5 yrs) and the other lasted 10-11 years.

Obviously, the later build VCRs were much cheaper in price and build quality. As I recall the 1985 Panasonic cost $450, and the latter 90s Panasonics were in the $90-$120 range.

Lastly, I will say that JVC SVHS VCRs have the best durability of anything I have seen, even though they are #4 on this list. Most of the ones I still use were made 1998-2002 (way into the cheaper build period of these VCRs) and still work great now, even with nearly daily use. To add to that point, I have purchased all these VCRs already used at thrift stores so they have had years of mileage on them already.

Telecolor 3007 05-04-2020 07:12 PM

I don't know about relaibilty, but I got for free a non-used "Panasonic" V.C.R. that is about 28 years old and it worked!

kfbkfb 05-06-2020 02:46 AM

IIRC, In the mid-1980s, ITT designed an all
digital signal processing chip set for VHS VCRs.

AFAIK, this (type) of chip set was never used,
it seems like it could have simplified VHS VCRs
(circuit design and component count) and may
have provided audio and video NR.

BTW, I buy Panasonic VHS VCRs at thrift shops
to record from Antenna TV, Comet TV, Cozi TV,
MeTV etc. The VCRs are in use several hours
most days (SLP speed), my oldest in a PV-945H,
built about 21 years ago.


Kirk Bayne

zenith2134 08-08-2020 12:26 PM

Great Thread.
 
Lately, I have been buying up all of the Panasonic PV-8661 VHS VCRs I can find. They are some of the last to be made in Japan, and while they are later plastic cased machines, they are repairable and still of a pretty high quality build.

Of the "real" battleship VHS decks, my personal tape collection has been played on 80s JVCs for many years now. they are typically heavy and solid with a fantastic picture. I've even installed a new head unit on a HR-7100 just because I wanted to save it! Not exactly cost-effective, but it had the original wired remote and manuals, so I minted it out. I use it on my Blonder-Tongue over air analog setup.

What I find interesting is how some of the very last VHS decks can really have superior pix quality (due to the addition of VHS-HQ standard with better luminance extension, and the smaller headgap of 19-micron head), but the build quality is that of a toy. Zero (or near zero) reliability of the mechs in the 2000s decks. So, some of the 90s stuff is the best of both for me.

KekkyLekky 08-08-2020 02:55 PM

I had a power supply go bad on a Panasonic PV-4101 from 1991 yesterday. I've seen it talked about that a common thing that was repaired on Matsushita VCRs from that time period was the power supply.
Looks like I'll have to get a new one (I unfortunately do not have the expertise to replace caps or circuits). I use VCRs as part of one of my secondary hobbies of capturing and posting old home video logos and commercials.

waltchan 08-21-2020 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenith2134 (Post 3226567)
Lately, I have been buying up all of the Panasonic PV-8661 VHS VCRs I can find. They are some of the last to be made in Japan, and while they are later plastic cased machines, they are repairable and still of a pretty high quality build.

This one was a 1998 year model. The last and final Panasonic VCRs made in Japan was in year 2000, models PV-V4520, PV-V4540, PV-V4620, PV-V4640, PV-V4660, and PV-VS4820.

waltchan 08-21-2020 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KekkyLekky (Post 3226570)
I had a power supply go bad on a Panasonic PV-4101 from 1991 yesterday. I've seen it talked about that a common thing that was repaired on Matsushita VCRs from that time period was the power supply.
Looks like I'll have to get a new one (I unfortunately do not have the expertise to replace caps or circuits). I use VCRs as part of one of my secondary hobbies of capturing and posting old home video logos and commercials.

There are plenty of used PV-4101s on eBay from time to time. It's very easy to swap/exchange power supply with just one screw nut.

waltchan 10-27-2020 12:28 AM

UPDATE: I downgraded Akai's VCR reliability rating from #5 to #8 (based on estimation only), because the carriage cassette loading gear had a much higher failure rate than I anticipated, especially the 1988-1990 models. The idler tire was also very troublesome in 1985-1986 models that inserts tape at the right side. Also, I've decided to add Fisher at #5 for models 1988 models and newer, because they were identical with same mechanism to Sanyo brand, after intense reesarch.

The only credit on the Akai was that the loading motor used a nylon-teeth polystyrene belt instead of rubber belt in 1986-1987 models, with tape inserted at the left side (called MBK-19 mechanism), so, overall, I think Akai was still one-point better on reliability than Sharp, based on my most accurate judgment and repair experience.

Overall, 1986-1987 Akai VCR models with MBK-19 mechanism was the most-reliable and best-seller, but had a sometimes problem with the plastic gear arm breaking (to open top cover of VHS tape) on the tape-insert mechanism. But the plastic gear arm lasted a little longer than Sharp's MBK-15 idler tire for the first 10 years.

WCV82 10-29-2020 09:43 PM

Does anyone have any experience with how good some of these VCR brands are after sitting idle for years on end? I've noticed that after 3-5 years no matter the brand they will all fail.

Electronic M 10-30-2020 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WCV82 (Post 3228568)
Does anyone have any experience with how good some of these VCR brands are after sitting idle for years on end? I've noticed that after 3-5 years no matter the brand they will all fail.

The Sharp 30sec rapid rewind deck that was my first VCR has sat at least that long and woken up with only a bit of initial mechanical sluggishness that faded with excercise.

Some decks sit better than others.

waltchan 01-18-2022 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltchan (Post 3034269)
Based on nearly 2,500,000 responses total to Consumer Reports' 1983 to 1993 Annual Questionnaires. Readers were asked about any repairs to VCRs bought new between 1978 and 1993. All are VHS format. Data have been standardized to eliminate differences among brands due solely to age and how much the VCRs were used.

FEWER-REPAIRS
<<<<<
  • 01 -- Panasonic/Quasar/Magnavox/Canon/General Electric/JCPenny/Philco/RCA/Sylvania (most-reliable)
  • 02 -- Toshiba/RCA/General Electric/ProScan/Vector Research
  • 03 -- Funai/Shintom/Symphonic/Multitech/Realistic/Sylvania/TEAC/Teknika/Toshiba/XR-1000
  • 04 -- JVC/Zenith/Magnavox/Kenwood/Tatung
  • 05 -- Sanyo/Sears/Fisher, after 1988
  • 06 -- Mitsubishi/MGA/Emerson/Video Concepts
  • 07 -- Orion/Emerson/Broksonic/Sansui/TMK
  • 08 -- Akai/Citizen *
  • 09 -- Sharp/Montgomery Ward/Realistic/Signature 2000/Admiral
  • 10 -- Samsung/RCA/Toshiba/General Electric/ProScan
  • 11 -- NEC/Harmon Kardon/Marantz/Vector Research/Yamaha
  • 12 -- Hitachi/RCA/Sears/Bang & Olufsen/General Electric/JCPenny/Minolta/Pioneer
  • 13 -- Daewoo/Capehart/Daytron *
  • 14 -- GoldStar/Zenith/LXI/JCPenny/Radio Shack/Sears/Totevision
  • 15 -- Fisher, before 1988 (least-reliable)
>>>>>
MORE-REPAIRS

(*) not listed, estimation only

UPDATE 2022:

Just added Vector Research brand, either made by NEC or Toshiba.

waltchan 10-25-2022 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltchan (Post 3034269)
Based on nearly 2,500,000 responses total to Consumer Reports' 1983 to 1993 Annual Questionnaires. Readers were asked about any repairs to VCRs bought new between 1978 and 1993. All are VHS format. Data have been standardized to eliminate differences among brands due solely to age and how much the VCRs were used.

FEWER-REPAIRS
<<<<<
  • 01 -- Panasonic/Quasar/Magnavox/Canon/General Electric/JCPenny/Philco/RCA/Sylvania (most-reliable)
  • 02 -- Toshiba/RCA/General Electric/ProScan/Vector Research
  • 03 -- Funai/Shintom/Symphonic/Multitech/Realistic/Sylvania/TEAC/Teknika/Toshiba/XR-1000
  • 04 -- JVC/Zenith/Magnavox/Kenwood/Tatung
  • 05 -- Sanyo/Sears/Fisher, after 1988
  • 06 -- Mitsubishi/MGA/Emerson/Video Concepts
  • 07 -- Orion/Emerson/Broksonic/Sansui/TMK
  • 08 -- Akai/Citizen *
  • 09 -- Sharp/Montgomery Ward/Realistic/Signature 2000/Admiral
  • 10 -- Samsung/RCA/Toshiba/General Electric/ProScan
  • 11 -- NEC/Harmon Kardon/Marantz/Vector Research/Yamaha
  • 12 -- Hitachi/RCA/Sears/Bang & Olufsen/General Electric/JCPenny/Minolta/ProScan/Pioneer
  • 13 -- Daewoo/Capehart/Daytron *
  • 14 -- GoldStar/Zenith/LXI/JCPenny/Radio Shack/Sears/Totevision
  • 15 -- Fisher, before 1988 (least-reliable)
>>>>>
MORE-REPAIRS

(*) not listed, estimation only

UPDATE 2023:

One ProScan VCR model was made by Hitachi, and added into the list.

DVtyro 10-25-2022 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenith2134 (Post 3226567)
What I find interesting is how some of the very last VHS decks can really have superior pix quality (due to the addition of VHS-HQ standard with better luminance extension, and the smaller headgap of 19-micron head), but the build quality is that of a toy. Zero (or near zero) reliability of the mechs in the 2000s decks. So, some of the 90s stuff is the best of both for me.

I have a 2008 Sony VHS+DVD combo machine. Does not say "SQPB" on the faceplate, but the manual says it plays SVHS tapes. The tape deck works, but the DVD does not, which to me is surprising, I expected the opposite. So, I guess, optical drives had become even more throwaway designs by the late 2000s than tape decks.

Electronic M 10-25-2022 01:05 PM

Lazers tend to fail in optical drives. I've seen it a few times. It's apparently really common in original playstation systems.

liammc00 10-28-2022 09:28 PM

To my surprise my Zenith VR1830 from 1988 has never needed repaired and still works perfectly while out performing any other VCR I have ever used.

dishdude 10-29-2022 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liammc00 (Post 3245987)
To my surprise my Zenith VR1830 from 1988 has never needed repaired and still works perfectly while out performing any other VCR I have ever used.

Not surprised at all, JVC made some really solid machines and the late 80's were probably the best time period for VCRs. HQ was out and the transport mechanisms were still solid and hadn't turned to all plastic yet.

liammc00 10-29-2022 07:15 PM

Before I put the VCR back into use I did give the mechanism some basic maintenance like replaceing the old grease and cleaning the transport. The two belts are still good so I left them. The idler tire still works but it looks all cracked. I had a sears from 86 made by sanyo. No surprise it broke as it had plastic rails for the p guides and it was cracked so I part it out for the stk module and other useful parts.

waltchan 10-30-2022 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liammc00 (Post 3246006)
Before I put the VCR back into use I did give the mechanism some basic maintenance like replaceing the old grease and cleaning the transport. The two belts are still good so I left them. The idler tire still works but it looks all cracked. I had a sears from 86 made by sanyo. No surprise it broke as it had plastic rails for the p guides and it was cracked so I part it out for the stk module and other useful parts.

JVC original belts lasted the longest in industry. If well-maintained and not overused, the original belts can last for up to 50 years or for life, actually. This is due to superior, finest rubber-material quality from manufacturing that was exclusive only for JVC and Zenith. Never, ever replace the original JVC belts with new, Chinese-made ones. Inferior rubber material quality. Easily turn to goo or melt into black, sticky liquid.

The second-best original belts came from Matsushita-made VCRs, under Panasonic, Quasar, Magnavox, General Electric, Curtis Mathes, JCPenney, Philco, and Sylvania brands. Matsushita belts used a yellow-powder coating into rubber material that will turn the gears and sliders from white to yellow color after a few years of use. If heavy-use or high-usage, the gears will turn from yellow to dark-brown color. The yellow-powder coating into rubber material helps prevent the belts to melt or turn to goo.

Average belts came from Toshiba, Sanyo, Sharp, NEC, mid-90s Symphonic, Emerson, and others. They have some yellow or black-powder coating material, but only at minimal amount. Expect about 20-year max lifespan.

The worst original belts came from Hitachi/RCA MBK-60, Mitsubishi MBK-29 & MBK-37, and Funai/Shintom MBK-66 & MBK-83 models. They turned to goo or melted easily into black liquid after few years of use from this one belt supplier, regardless of the humidity rating in your room. Always a terrible mess to clean up that can easily take you the whole day of cleaning for nothing. The bad belts from this one supplier did not have any coating material in rubber manufacturing that can protect from humidity and heat. They melted into black sticky liquid easily, while all of the gears are still in pure white color like brand-new.

waltchan 11-19-2022 12:31 AM

Many thanks to user Blast for providing the total service numbers for each VHS VCR brands in the other thread. While not the most accurate way to calculate reliability, the number of VCR units total for service (with top-cover taken off) seem straightforward and pretty accurate on the frequency-rate of total repairs.

"From 1989 to 1998 out of 111 brands (mostly VCRs) that our shop took in I worked on (which doesn't mean "fix" - but at least took the top off of)." -Blast

Toshiba: 226
Mitsubishi: 287
Sharp: 452
Hitachi: 464
JVC: 601
GE: 602
Panasonic: 611
Zenith: 1,224
RCA: 2,758

I only need Symphonic, Emerson, Samsung, GoldStar, and Fisher left to complete this nice list, but (so far), he has not responded to me yet after sending a PM.

Other low-selling VHS VCR brands, like Sanyo, Sony, NEC, Shintom, Daewoo, and Akai, are not worth asking at all, due to them mostly sold the Beta format instead of VHS, or they were only sold in selected US states.

waltchan 12-02-2022 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltchan (Post 3246608)
"From 1989 to 1998 out of 111 brands (mostly VCRs) that our shop took in I worked on (which doesn't mean "fix" - but at least took the top off of)." -Blast

Toshiba: 226
Mitsubishi: 287
Sharp: 452
Hitachi: 464
JVC: 601
GE: 602
Panasonic: 611
Zenith: 1,224
RCA: 2,758

Any former VCR techs remember the RCA VR-270 (2-head) or VR-450 (4-head) VHS VCR (the compact-design made by Hitachi with top-button controls)? I bet over 20% of the RCA's 2,758 total number (552 units) in for service was either the VR-270 or VR-450.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384474593933

Studio Sound Electronics owner also says a lot of bad things about the RCA VR-270 and VR-450 too. "One of Hitachi's worst products ever," is his favorite daily quote to me. :D

probnot 12-03-2022 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by waltchan (Post 3246840)
Any former VCR techs remember the RCA VR-270 (2-head) or VR-450 (4-head) VHS VCR (the compact-design made by Hitachi with top-button controls)? I bet over 20% of the RCA's 2,758 total number (552 units) in for service was either the VR-270 or VR-450.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384474593933

Studio Sound Electronics owner also says a lot of bad things about the RCA VR-270 and VR-450 too. "One of Hitachi's worst products ever," is his favorite daily quote to me. :D

I have a VR-275 still kicking around. Somehow it still works, although the linear stereo circuitry is all messed up. I remember seeing a few with dead power supplies when I was younger.

What were the major issues with this series of VCRs?

n8nagel 04-16-2023 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltchan (Post 3246018)
Never, ever replace the original JVC belts with new, Chinese-made ones. Inferior rubber material quality. Easily turn to goo or melt into black, sticky liquid.

I was just servicing one of the tape transports on a circa 1991 Sony ES cassette deck on Friday and my goodness the capstan belt was the absolute worst mess I have ever had to clean up. What an absolute horrorshow. Worse even than the circa 1984 Yamaha CD player that I attempted to revive a few years ago (I got it working, but I think the laser is weak as it will not track all the way through a disc.) I haven't started on the other one yet as I know I'll need to set aside several hours for goo clean up.

In contrast, the main drive belt on a similar age (circa 1988) NEC VCR simply got hard and snapped, took only a few seconds to clean up. However, it appears that either something leached out of the belt itself or there was grease on it when it was taken out of service, as the portion of the plastic pulley on which the belt was sitting before it broke was actually slightly etched. Plays fine with a new belt however. The two loading belts were still OK although the one that was easy to replace I did as it was noticeably harder/stiffer than the new one.

Anyone have any experience with new production belts from e.g. PRB? Should they be pre-emptively replaced if you have to pop the top for any reason on a machine serviced with such belts to prevent gooification, or do they age gracefully?

waltchan 11-17-2024 02:37 AM

Update for 2025:

No major change to all the VCR reliability rankings here with units made before 1993.

For modern VCRs made in the 2000s era, the fastest new growing problem are the ones manufactured by Samsung for various brands, which has an increasing rate of power supply failure lately now. This is due to Samsung's lack of auto power off and eject feature after rewinding a tape from the end. The power supply is left on indefinitely 24/7 non-stop for many years with high heat and capacitors drying up faster, and then the power supply section on main board turns into black or burnt color easily after a few years from use. Most people usually forget to turn off the VCR after using one time.

Another is tape carriage gear breakage found in 2000-2004 Panasonic-made VCRs with the elevated pinch-roller design, causing no eject with a tape stuck inside. Because of this ongoing problem lately, this automatically makes Toshiba VCRs manufactured by Orion more reliable than Panasonic now. I'm not surprised at all.

Finally, bad belts are still most-common in Funai-made VCRs. A slipping loading belt will cause no tape insert or eject. Belts never last for over 10 years trouble-free easily, requires changing as soon as possible. Idler is a sometimes problem too that will leave tape dangling and chewing up upon ejecting.


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