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MadMan 11-03-2019 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Telecolor 3007 (Post 3216948)
But what was the ideea with the batteries?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDR43E5Uxw4
I thought in U.S.A. those preconceptions where gone since automatic becamed dominant in the '60's.[/QUOTE]
lol people still say all those things, but go ahead and drive automatics, anyway. Of course, there are still a few people who will only drive a manual.
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Originally Posted by Telecolor 3007 (Post 3216948)
Oh, another myth is that vehicles with automatic gearboxes are slow... it was true for the old ones. But the "D.A.F." SB220 * buses introduced in 1994 (all pull over, none of those beauties is in a good shape :( ) where pretty faster and they had automatic gearboxes. And that was a quarter of century ago. The bus drivers where doing races on Kiseleff Road (Avenue) in the night when went to the garage. Oh, and in pure conditions those gearboxes lasted sometimes even a milion kilometers!!!

That's cool! Modern automatics - like, from the 60s onward - didn't have much power loss. Obviously, some would be better than others. Most of that comes down to how much slip there is in the torque converter. Early converters did not have the middle piece... the stator, I think. Without it, there is a lot of slip, and therefore power loss. Now, of course, we have lock-up converters, which depending on when they are commanded to lock up, give direct connection from the engine to the wheels, so no slip. I wonder what type of gearbox those buses had. I wonder if the Voith gerabox is the European equivalent to the Allison? Hell, there might be some Allison gearboxes over there.
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Originally Posted by Telecolor 3007 (Post 3216948)
In U.S.A. you can get driving licence for automatic gearbox and drive what you like. In Romania (and not only) if you're getting a lincence for automatic gearboxes you're stick to automatic, you don't have the legal right to drive manual gearboxes. Also in Romania there is no option for getting driving licence for only automatic gerabox if you want to drive a truck (I don't about buses).

I believe there are 1 or 2 states that require a different license to drive manual.

Telecolor 3007 11-04-2019 02:39 AM

Yes, the stator. My British dream cars don't have a stator, because in the '30-'50's :(
"Voith" I think they are good. At least they lasted on the buses. "ZF" also makes automatic gearboxes. Oh, the Romanian "Rocar" with "de Simon" type body also used "Voith" gearboxes.
On the interior on the "D.A.F." buses was and advert for "Voith" on which was among other image of a truck. I don't think in Romanian back in those days where trucks with automatic geraboxes, so I was in state of wondering.

compu_85 11-04-2019 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Telecolor 3007 (Post 3216905)
To be onest, I like cars that can be easily repaired/fixed. Too much electronics aren't good. After all it's car, not a space ship.

@ compu85 : what crash?

This one that was linked above:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kRJdHkvIRYw

-J

Sandy G 11-04-2019 01:17 PM

Hmmmmmpf... Looked like the Caddy coulda been driven home.. Don't think it even spiderwebbed the windshield... The little Japanese car got pretty well "Woofed", though... Guy in the Caddy mighta had to take a handful or so of Advils or Ibuprofens, but not much worse than that. Guy in the Japanese car might have had a broken knee, leg, ankle, but mighta also got outta it unscathed.. Bottom line-You're likely STILL safer in a Big-Azz Tankus Americanus, at least a newer version, but the little pregnant rollerskate mini-cars are MUCH better than they were, even not so long ago..

Telecolor 3007 11-04-2019 02:22 PM

That Japanese car done quite good on the impact. I've seen newer cars doing worser then that.
But do you know any one one who ownes a pre 1956 automobile?
I looked on that 1921 automobile book... thought greasing at 500 miles is stressing (one of my British dream cars do require greasing at 500 miles)... well, some cars did need greasing and oiling at daily/at 100 miles back then! Shees, owning an automobile was quite a pain.
It's true that Henry Ford couldn't drive cars with crash gearboxes?

MadMan 11-04-2019 09:34 PM

On the old Buick valve-in-head (overhead valve) engines, the valve gear was out in the open. You actually had to manually oil all the rocker arms with an oil can... probably every day. Of course that was in the 1920s I think.

As for British cars, not to stereotype, but it does rain a lot there. They probably recommended greasing often to keep all the rainwater out of the joints. My guess, anyway.

Electronic M 11-04-2019 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMan (Post 3217016)
On the old Buick valve-in-head (overhead valve) engines, the valve gear was out in the open. You actually had to manually oil all the rocker arms with an oil can... probably every day. Of course that was in the 1920s I think.

As for British cars, not to stereotype, but it does rain a lot there. They probably recommended greasing often to keep all the rainwater out of the joints. My guess, anyway.

The later Buick Fireball OHV engines were fully self-oiling. Coldwarmotors youtube channel has a fairly entertaining Straight-8 showdown series where they take a 1950 Buick and 1951? Packard both decades-old junkyard cars with stuck Straight-8s and get both going and yard race them on basically $0 budget and you get to see a good bit of the inner-workings of both.

To add to your point of the greasing recommendation being possibly excessive...If the documentation Telecolor is reading is from several decades ago (as I think it is) then it likely is from a time period when grease/lubrication products were primative and MUCH LESS effective/long lived then current products.

Telecolor 3007 11-05-2019 02:23 AM

Or because the greasing points wheren't sealed. Take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBO_ee96tY0&t=186s

MadMan 11-05-2019 09:27 PM

All of the above, I think.

Telecolor 3007 11-06-2019 01:08 AM

What you can sometimes find for sale: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daimler-193...-/311666331293

MadMan 11-06-2019 02:48 AM

LOL yeah I know

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hub caps have been removed
engine flywheel/torque converter
and auto transmission available
for extra cost of $1800
Typical morons. Think they have a gold mine.

Telecolor 3007 11-06-2019 04:51 AM

Sheesh, I din't payed atention. I thought the engine was included.
True that stuff is rare, but with 8,000 bucks I think you can buy an unrestored car.

Telecolor 3007 11-07-2019 03:17 PM

But does any one haves photos with old hand singnals? Like you see here from 7:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPLgZqP0Hts
When do automobiles in U.S.A. started to had turn signals and how did they looked?

Electronic M 11-07-2019 04:09 PM

Atleast as far back as the 30s turn signals were available on some cars as an option, and on any car as aftermarket modifications. I think they remained an option until the early 50s then became mandatory on new cars...IIRC in some places if you own a car that never had factory turn signals you don't have to add them.

MadMan 11-07-2019 09:48 PM

Wow I didn't even know it, but the hand signals have changed a bit from back in the day. We are still taught hand signals in driver's education, but they are only left turn, right turn, and stopping. Presumably if your lights are out, you should use hand signals.

As for the year they became mandatory, I'm not getting a clear reading. It looks like 1955, but I think it might have been different for each state.

I can't seem to find any photos of old aftermarket turn signals, though I'm sure many still exist. I recall when I was young, my dad was fixing a 1930's Packard, and it had an aftermarket signal switch on it. It was just a turn signal stalk that you clamped to the steering column, and presumably some lights to mount on the outside of the car.

Telecolor 3007 11-08-2019 06:49 AM

In U.S.A. the autombiles didn't had trafficators?
I was wondering if you could install heating on cars that don't. I found that you could. Now here's something intresting: http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/forum...c6e48c7f860809

Telecolor 3007 11-16-2019 08:29 AM

Do you know this chanel? :rolleyes: https://www.youtube.com/user/USAutoIndustry/videos
Here is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCEmhR_QTgs

old_tv_nut 11-16-2019 09:22 AM

I didn't know of it, but I subscribed now - thanks

init4fun 11-16-2019 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3217248)
Atleast as far back as the 30s turn signals were available on some cars as an option, and on any car as aftermarket modifications. I think they remained an option until the early 50s then became mandatory on new cars...IIRC in some places if you own a car that never had factory turn signals you don't have to add them.

Back when they weren't all that old I had two 1951 cars , a Chevy and a Plymouth . Neither car was built with factory installed turn signals and the Chevy already had the aftermarket retrofit signals installed before I bought it but the Plymouth didn't . I ended up tracking down one of the turn signal kits for the Plymouth , it was a unit that clamped onto the steering column and required rewiring the brake lights into combination brakelight / turnsignals , the kit had new wires that ran to each bulb in the trunk and to the front running lights (which needed their sockets changed from the single to dual filament bulbs for the turn signals) .

Fun fact , both cars were 6 volt electrical systems with tube radios . I of course had the radios working perfectly and had taken an FM converter , used a small 6 V motorcycle battery in series with the car's 6 V to supply the converter with the 12 V it needed , and headbanging metal was happily blasted to the general disgust of most of my fellow commuters :rockon:

Electronic M 11-17-2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by init4fun (Post 3217695)
Back when they weren't all that old I had two 1951 cars , a Chevy and a Plymouth . Neither car was built with factory installed turn signals and the Chevy already had the aftermarket retrofit signals installed before I bought it but the Plymouth didn't . I ended up tracking down one of the turn signal kits for the Plymouth , it was a unit that clamped onto the steering column and required rewiring the brake lights into combination brakelight / turnsignals , the kit had new wires that ran to each bulb in the trunk and to the front running lights (which needed their sockets changed from the single to dual filament bulbs for the turn signals) .

Fun fact , both cars were 6 volt electrical systems with tube radios . I of course had the radios working perfectly and had taken an FM converter , used a small 6 V motorcycle battery in series with the car's 6 V to supply the converter with the 12 V it needed , and headbanging metal was happily blasted to the general disgust of most of my fellow commuters

I've seen a couple cars with those kits.

Lol.:thmbsp: Planning to eventually have a 1940's GM (or Nash) fastback in my future about a year ago when a fellow member brought a bunch of converters to a meet I bought 1 each of FM, SW, Police/aviation/fire converters.
Depending on how I feel I may do that and or rewire the original radio...A year or so back I took a late 40's mono Magnavox home console and upgraded it to stereo. The process involved adding sections to the band/function switch of the AM/SW/preamp chassis, reworking the preamp for stereo, adding an FM MPX chassis (to work with the factory FM tuner), swapping the 60's VM someone cobbled in with a Magnavox badged Colarro Conquest, and a installing a second matching PPP 6V6 amp chassis to it (the results were pretty awesome :rockon:)...Part of me, if I ended up with a messed up enough car radio, would like to do something akin to the what I did to the Magnavox and custom build an AM/FM stereo tube car radio with powerful tube-based amp unit based on a car radio chassis that is beyond hope for resto...I'd also really like to get one of those RCA 45RPM car changers.

init4fun 11-17-2019 07:20 PM

:thmbsp: I will be looking forward to your 40s car , I 100% agree that there was an elegance about 40s and 50s cars that has yet to be recaptured .

Telecolor 3007 11-18-2019 07:25 AM

I wish me for a '30's-'40's car, but I want a British one.
So in the early '50's you still had to do hand signlas when driving? :para:

Electronic M 11-18-2019 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Telecolor 3007 (Post 3217760)
I wish me for a '30's-'40's car, but I want a British one.
So in the early '50's you still had to do hand signlas when driving? :para:

If your car didn't have signals (and other cars and or police were present) yes....even if you did have signals you had to understand them when other drivers used them... nowadays there is probably a rather large portion of the driving population that wouldn't know hand signals if they saw them...

Telecolor 3007 11-19-2019 05:02 AM

In Europe I think allsmot all cars had some kind of turning signal by the early '50's.

bgadow 11-19-2019 09:46 PM

Steering column mounted turn signal units were still showing up on heavy trucks fairly recently though I'm not sure how compatible they are for use on a car. Signal Stat is a popular brand; a quick search shows they're still available, and pretty cheap.

Telecolor 3007 11-20-2019 10:37 AM

Do you have any image with steering column mounted turn signal units?

jr_tech 11-20-2019 02:45 PM

Like this?

https://www.google.com/search?q=vint...Yc7vSKgxgRqmrM

jr

Telecolor 3007 11-21-2019 06:52 PM

Cars still use a verion of that.

On the other hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rib0jbmeaX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClaNhx71XB8

Something intresting: http://automobilia-romania.blogspot....tru-exact.html
https://www.okazii.ro/ceas-taxi-vechi-halda-a127129425
https://www.okazii.ro/poltax-aparat-...chi-a113924901
What does it means "on radio call?": http://www.taximetre.ro/wp-content/u...hecker-cab.jpg

old_tv_nut 11-21-2019 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Telecolor 3007 (Post 3217964)
What does it means "on radio call?": http://www.taximetre.ro/wp-content/u...hecker-cab.jpg

Before the days of cell phones - cab companies used special licensed radio frequencies to communicate between the dispatcher and the taxis. If you were in a cab and the radio was on, you would hear the dispatcher reading a list of customer addresses. The driver would then reply if he was close and wanted to take the fare.

Edit: I believe that when the driver accepted a radio-dispatched fare, he would turn on the lighted "on radio call" sign so that people on the street would know he was not available, rather than rudely igoring them. Maybe someone remembers this for sure? I seem to recall that the sign was simpler in some places - "TAXI" light on if available, off if not available.

MadMan 11-21-2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by old_tv_nut (Post 3217965)
Maybe someone remembers this for sure? I seem to recall that the sign was simpler in some places - "TAXI" light on if available, off if not available.

Pretty much. There were a couple different versions, for sure.

Telecolor 3007 11-22-2019 12:52 PM

In Romania (at least in Bucharest) we don't have a sytsem like that. The taxi haves just 2 lights except for the one that iluminates the Taxi sign: green and red. Red is when the "clock" is starting to register, otherwise even the taxi is picking up a command (dispacer calling or mobile phone app) there is no way to indiciate that he is picking up a command and that's annoing. But you know, Romania...

Did somebody watched this show? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S23oaLAEUpo
It was brodacasted in Romania around 1996, but I don't think I ever watched an episode (or more then an episode).
Those "Checkers" taxies... I thought they where from the '60's and still in use in the '90's-'000's. In fact they where newer, but had that retro look.
In U.S.A. can you use as a taxi old cars?

Here are some old taxi "clocks": http://www.fama.hu/index.php?mn=28&o...=en&gkr=Museum
The ones with Ft where used in Hungary. Ft is coming from the Hungrian Forint (national currency of Hungary).

The good thing about changing oil at lower intervals at old cars is that you are sure that you don't get to many residues in it. Or if it is of bad qualty, it won't damage the engine. I don't trust what producers are saying.
It U.S.A. did you ever manufactured automobiles that could use all the fuel from the tank, including wat was on the bottom. Excluding the cars that had fule supply with the help of gravity ("Ford" Model T, "Ford" A... in Europe 'Traban't used this sytem even in 1990 and starting a 'Model A' haves some resemblance with the 'Trabant').

Electronic M 11-22-2019 01:09 PM

ISTR that the checked cabs were made more or less unchanged from the late 50's to the 70's.

Rules on car age probably vary between cities, but in general it is not common to see cars over 25 years old in cab service. At some point a fleet becomes too old, beat up and or rusty to ecconomically maintain. That said limo/livery services (think taxis for rich executives/special events) often have 1 or more very old/classic cars in their fleet for certain events and tastes.

Telecolor 3007 11-24-2019 05:24 PM

Have another question: at an old car that had throttle lever control, when you changed down gears you could use throttle control in stead of acceleration pedal in order to use the throttle lever and not the acceleration pedal when chaning down.

Electronic M 11-24-2019 05:51 PM

Perhaps you mean a choke control? Pretty sure the accelerator pedal was always connected to throttle so there never was a second throttle (ie lever) if there was an accelerator pedal.

init4fun 11-24-2019 07:04 PM

Although I can't recall any cars having a hand operated throttle control in tandem with the floor mounted pedal , I have seen trucks with a throttle knob on the dashboard that when pulled out can be used to set the engine to a desired speed . The trucks I saw this on had PTO abilities and being able to set the throttle at some speed above idle was needed for the PTO device being driven .

old_tv_nut 11-24-2019 07:45 PM

The only car with lever throttle I know about is the Ford Model T. I don't know what other cars did. The Model T transmission used planetary gears, so I don't know if modulating the throttle was required.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-ford-model-t/

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...e_Ford_Model_T

Sandy G 11-24-2019 07:47 PM

IIRC, the last series of Checkers were made from like 1958-59 thru the '80s when the company finally went out of business. I THINK they subcontracted from GM making tailgates for the 1973-88 series of big Blazers & Suburbans.

bgadow 11-24-2019 09:48 PM

I'd read that Checker made sheet metal parts for at least one of the big-3; good to know just what they were making. The head of Checker in that era had formerly been an executive with GM. Just recently I spotted a photo of some electric car prototype that they helped build in the mid-70's.

Electronic M 11-24-2019 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by init4fun (Post 3218070)
Although I can't recall any cars having a hand operated throttle control in tandem with the floor mounted pedal , I have seen trucks with a throttle knob on the dashboard that when pulled out can be used to set the engine to a desired speed . The trucks I saw this on had PTO abilities and being able to set the throttle at some speed above idle was needed for the PTO device being driven .

You just jogged my memory...around 1940 Ford cars had a dash mount throttle knob in addition to the gas pedal...The knobs only purpose was to serve as a form of primitive cruise control.

MadMan 11-25-2019 12:03 AM

Steering wheel mounted throttle control was a thing for a while in the early days of cars. When the gas pedal showed up, there were still several car makers who included the old fashioned lever in addition to the pedal, presumably for people who were still used to that system, and hey, it could be used as cruise control too.

Apparently Model A's were among those cars.
http://www.secondchancegarage.com/ar...ng-model-a.jpg


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