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kvflyer 03-30-2009 06:25 PM

I have this TV now. It is exactly the same model that I had as a teenager. I bought it in working condition. It is unrestored so it should be somewhat easy to make it good. Oh yeah, I actually have an NOS 16TP4 CRT for it. That is the icing on the cake...

http://www.streitsonline.com/don/26R12_1.jpg

wa2ise 03-30-2009 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kvflyer (Post 2630029)
I have this TV now. It is exactly the same model that I had as a teenager. I bought it in working condition. It is unrestored so it should be somewhat easy to make it good.

Looks like a later version of mine:
http://www.wa2ise.com/radios/admiraltv.jpg
and the diagram of mine:
http://www.wa2ise.com/radios/adm.gif

And I had a copy of this TV when I was a teenager, as well. Used to be my father's mother's TV she had in her apartment in NYC, back in the 50's. We inherited it when she checked out in 1960, and my father tossed it in the mid 70's. Got another one off the bay a few years ago. The door on hers fell off, and never had it for the one I have now.

Replacing all the wax caps should be all you'll need to do. Assuming the circuits in yours and mine are similar, be sure to use a temperature stable cap in the horiz oscillator, the 0.01 cap, parallel with a 22K resistor, mounted across the horiz phase coil, between the 6SN7 and the 6BQ6 Horiz output. Actually, as it has a 22K resistor in parallel, you probably could get away with just leaving it in (the 22K resistor should swamp any cap leakages). I first used a ceramic cap in my TV there, but the horiz hold was too drifty. Then used a orange drop type, and that fixed that.

jeyurkon 03-30-2009 10:14 PM

Congratulations! My interest in old TV's and radio's centers on the ones we had when I was a kid, so I understand how you feel. It looks like it's in great shape.

wa2ise, I see that yours uses a 16CP4. What's the difference between it and the 16TP4? I couldn't find any data on the 16CP4.

John

wa2ise 03-31-2009 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jeyurkon (Post 2630859)

wa2ise, I see that yours uses a 16CP4. What's the difference between it and the 16TP4? I couldn't find any data on the 16CP4.

John

You mean 14CP4, yes? It uses an ion trap, and of course it's a smaller CRT.

jeyurkon 03-31-2009 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wa2ise (Post 2631157)
You mean 14CP4, yes? It uses an ion trap, and of course it's a smaller CRT.

Oops! :o Well, that explains why I had trouble finding data on it.

John

kvflyer 04-01-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wa2ise (Post 2630761)
Looks like a later version of mine:
http://www.geocities.com/wa2ise/radios/admiraltv.jpg
and the diagram of mine:
http://www.geocities.com/wa2ise/radios/adm.gif

And I had a copy of this TV when I was a teenager, as well...

Yes,

I think that both of these sets were out at the same time. 14" and 16". Kinda neat...

kvflyer 04-01-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wa2ise (Post 2630761)
...Assuming the circuits in yours and mine are similar, be sure to use a temperature stable cap in the horiz oscillator, the 0.01 cap, parallel with a 22K resistor, mounted across the horiz phase coil, between the 6SN7 and the 6BQ6 Horiz output. Actually, as it has a 22K resistor in parallel, you probably could get away with just leaving it in (the 22K resistor should swamp any cap leakages). I first used a ceramic cap in my TV there, but the horiz hold was too drifty. Then used a orange drop type, and that fixed that.

Thanks for the heads up. I truly have an advantage because the set actually works and it has not been restored. It will be the next item on the bench. I should document a step by step restoration. Surely some of us could benefit from it...

wilkes85 04-08-2009 07:13 AM

warning, pictures might be huge
 
The first picture was taken about 1961. This is a picture of my aunt, with a cool, but unidentified TV in the background.
The second was taken some time in the mid 1970s, and another unidentified TV. Too bad the control panel isn't in the picture. (And now we have that very same fake Christmas tree lol)
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...kes85/pic1.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...kes85/pic2.jpg

There's also some pictures from when I was a kid, of the TV in the background, but I couldn't find them. once I find them, I'll post them. One shows me and my cousin as toddlers, watching Jeopardy on an early '80s Japanese-looking 19" TV with the style of tuner with all the little individual push-buttons for each channel. Another one is, if I can remember correctly, my aunt giving me a birthday present in the early '90s, and in the background is our brand new Electrohome 19 incher. I'm not sure if those pictures are old enough for this forum though.

Bogframe 04-08-2009 09:05 AM

Hard to see, but there's a late 50s DuMont in the background.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...e/TaniSeth.jpg

kvflyer 04-08-2009 06:54 PM

My ADMIRAL 26R12 has had all of its capacitors replaced now. It plays well. I am in the process of cleaning the chassis and then I will put in the NOS RCA 16TP4 CRT. Can't wait to see the new picture. The original 16RP4 has very low emission. Below is a shot of the chassis after the caps are replaced. All three electrolytics have been re-stuffed to retain originality.


Before

http://www.streitsonline.com/don/26R12_before.jpg

After

http://www.streitsonline.com/don/26R12_after.jpg

Original Weak CRT

http://www.streitsonline.com/don/26R12_Picture.jpg

Sandy G 04-08-2009 07:05 PM

That CRT ain't all THAT bad, IMHO....(grin)

kvflyer 04-08-2009 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 2655132)
That CRT ain't all THAT bad, IMHO....(grin)

I agree. But that NOS CRT is just beggin for a chance to show its stuff... Pix when the thing is up and running...

Sandy G 04-08-2009 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogframe (Post 2653617)
Hard to see, but there's a late 50s DuMont in the background.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...e/TaniSeth.jpg

Boggy, is that you on yer daddy's lap ? (grin) If so, you was a Cuuuute Widdle Boy....Awwwwwwwwww....

Captain Video 02-26-2010 08:07 PM

Working TV in picture
 
http://fotolog.terra.com.br/pehego:42

David Roper 03-14-2010 05:50 AM

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t303/ISXX/N02678.jpg


There's a General Electric model 814, an attractive variation of the common model 810 (and one that never turns up).

bandersen 06-25-2010 08:26 PM

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I think they're trying to get a good picture on that set :D

jeyurkon 06-25-2010 10:02 PM

What kind of set is that? The metal cap on a wood cabinet is something I've never seen before.

Looks like they're doing a PNF (Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation ) stretch. Or maybe a plain old stretch.

jr_tech 06-25-2010 10:35 PM

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Perhaps a Zenith? It somewhat resembles this model, on the 75 years of television site:

Bill Cahill 06-25-2010 10:52 PM

Looks like a Zenith to me........ :thmbsp:
Bill Cahill

Phil Nelson 06-25-2010 11:27 PM

Looks even more froglike than other Zenith frog-eye sets, with that big goofy mouth below (the speaker grille).

Phil

pugs5061 06-26-2010 12:17 AM

Man, I thought those chicks were nakie until I blew the thumbnail up. Now I know we are all insane :yes:.

newhallone 06-26-2010 09:40 AM

Wishful thinking! haha

bandersen 07-02-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pugs5061 (Post 2976737)
Man, I thought those chicks were nakie until I blew the thumbnail up. Now I know we are all insane :yes:.

Actually, I did post this picture as a little joke. I think you may be the sanest one for picking up on it ;)

RitchieMars 07-12-2010 06:19 PM

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Here's a photo of my dad, my aunt, and my grandmother during Christmas, 1953. I haven't figured out what model of television they had in this photo as of yet...

Bill Cahill 07-12-2010 07:32 PM

Looks like a 21" rectangular Motorola to me.
Or, Mahbe, Crosley.
Bill Cahill

leadlike 07-12-2010 08:33 PM

It's a 21" set of some kind-with a tenna-rotor control on top so they could rotate their rooftop antenna.

Eric H 07-12-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RitchieMars (Post 2977897)
Here's a photo of my dad, my aunt, and my grandmother during Christmas, 1953. I haven't figured out what model of television they had in this photo as of yet...

I couldn't resist touching it up a little, it didn't help bring out any details on the TV however.

jr_tech 07-12-2010 09:24 PM

In the early 50s, Philco seemed to be one of the few manufacturers that matched the color of the bezel to the color of the CRT as well as this set is matched, so I am guessing 1952-1953 Philco, but I can't see the knob layout well enough to be sure.
jr

RitchieMars 07-13-2010 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric H (Post 2977917)
I couldn't resist touching it up a little, it didn't help bring out any details on the TV however.

Thanks! That turned looks a lot better! Actually, I had tried to retouch this in Jasc Paint Shop, but apparently I uploaded the unedited version. I had a hard time getting that "sepia tone" out of there.

Yeah, I've had a hard time finding a match. I think all of these are good suggestions. One thing I find distinctive about that tv, is the narrow board between the speaker grille and the picture frame. Looks like there's two knobs, and it seems like it's dark woodgrain like the rest of the cabinet, but look how narrow it is! I noticed some Sylvania's look like this. I've also seen a few from 1955 ( RCA's perhaps ) or so that look a bit like this, but there's no way considering the photo is an original Kodak print from Jan 3, 1954. ( dated on the back ) My dad was too young to remember, but I'm fairly sure this television had to been purchased within the past year. ( 1953 ) I'll have to dig out a few other photos and scan those in soon, also.

Eric H 07-13-2010 11:02 AM

I would rule out Philco, I have a 53 Philco and it looks nothing like this set.

jr_tech 07-13-2010 12:50 PM

This is indeed a tough one! The control panel is skinny, more like that on a Sylvania set, but the bezel on the "halolight" sets would have been white rather than color matched to the CRT. I found one Sylvania set in an ad that apparently does not have "halolight" ... but it has a planter in the base!

http://www.tvhistory.tv/1952_LIFE_Sy..._Halolight.jpg

See the "Pierce" model... perhaps they produced a similar set without the planter?

Where was the set purchased? possibly it was a "regional" set that was not sold throughout the country?

jr

David Roper 07-13-2010 01:37 PM

I believe another possibility is Westinghouse; I recall one from not long ago that looked similar.

jr_tech 07-13-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by David Roper (Post 2977971)
I believe another possibility is Westinghouse; I recall one from not long ago that looked similar.

The Westinghouse "Langdon" in this ad does indeed, look very similar ...but this is a 1955 ad. When did Westinghouse drop the asymmetric large ch knob in the bottom right side layout? Also, the CRT bezel on the "langdon" looks like it is white, rather than color matched to the CRT.:scratch2:
http://www.tvhistory.tv/1955-Westinghouse-Brochure.JPG
Earlier Westinghouse control layout here:
http://www.tvhistory.tv/1951-Westinghouse-Brochure.jpg
jr

RitchieMars 07-13-2010 04:34 PM

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I just found a few more photos, and I think this one may have the shot I've been looking for...

RitchieMars 07-13-2010 06:37 PM

Yeah, it does have a similarity to the Sylvania and Westinghouse sets. I'm still searching for better pictures of some of these models and I've found the selection to be rather limited. In this more recent picture I've posted, you can see the feet at the bottom of the cabinet and after enlarging the picture, I could seem a nameplate or something of the sort at the center of the control panel. Can't make out what it say's. I also was wondering about the selection of televisions in certain regions of the U.S. and in this case, we're talking about South Carolina.

jr_tech 07-13-2010 08:17 PM

I wish that we could somehow get more detail in the center of the control panel... is that a nameplate? or a pencil box door? or perhaps some small knobs?
If Knobs, this Andrea might not be too far off, but it is a 1955 set (but perhaps their 53-54 sets were similar) :

http://www.tvhistory.tv/1955-Andrea-CV021.JPG

jr

RitchieMars 07-13-2010 09:26 PM

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It does bear a resemblance to the Andrea. I couldn't find any pictures of a 1953 model, though. This picture probably doesn't help either, considering that my dad is standing right in front of it! But, I could make out what looks like some sort of grid-like pattern to the control panel... unless, that's just a reflection. It's also notable that the edge of the cabinet is very thin around the picture frame... just barely an inch of wood showing from the front all the way around. Most tv's like this I've seen have leg's at the bottom that are slanted, or curved, or in some way separate from the flow of the cabinet coming down. The legs at the bottom of this one are very flush and simple. I figure once I find a brand that did this, I'll probably be onto something.

bandersen 07-16-2010 09:36 PM

Nobody's touching this set without repercussions !

http://www.bobandersen.com/images/photos/d2151.jpg http://www.bobandersen.com/images/photos/d2153.jpg

bandersen 07-16-2010 09:39 PM

Is that a booster, rotor control or UHF converter on top of this set :scratch2:

http://www.bobandersen.com/images/ph...1274298468.jpg

RitchieMars 07-19-2010 02:30 AM

I ran across that picture with the cat just awhile back somewhere or another. There seems to be a set just like that one for sale in my area... the listing doesn't say, but it looks like an RCA to me.
http://greenville.craigslist.org/atq/1804706000.html

Jeez, and here's another one! It's missing the little pencil box door.
http://greenville.craigslist.org/atq/1851879154.html

See what I have to put up with, guys? I seldom find a pre-1960's television around here, and when I do, $150 seems to be the magic number.

:no:


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