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Steve K 10-02-2009 10:52 PM

Westinghouse 22 inch color restoration
 
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I got the opportunity last Sunday to pick up this 22 inch Westinghouse color set from a local collector to restore. I finished recapping it this evening. This set is the exact same model as the one owned by Jr-tech posted in another thread. It is rather ironic that two of these sets are being posted in just a few weeks of one another.

The CRT tests strong and overall the set is in good condition. I have included some preliminary screen shots. I have yet to do a major set-up. There are still some issues with it. There is a bad case of video smearing that is next to address. So far the convergence is not bad. In fact, it is better than some roundies that I have seen. I will add updates when I get some of the problems worked out.

Steve

Charlie 10-02-2009 11:32 PM

Wow... that is absolutely AMAZING! The 22EP22 itself must have been pretty good... here we see 2 for 2 having good emissions. That's better odds than the earlier 15 inch tubes! The brightness on those tubes look better than most 21" roundies!

John Folsom 10-02-2009 11:33 PM

What can I say? Fantastic!

Now I will speculate: It has be supposed that he reason this 22" rectangular set "failed" was that the convergence was "no good". But I offer another hypothesis. The convergence was OK, but the cost of the CRT was high, and by 1958, the color TV market had hit rock bottom. By the next year, only RCA fielded a set, using their round CRT. No manufacturer wanted to spend any more money to develop or market a rectangular CRT into a color TV market that was loosing money for everyone. So for the better part on a decade, the easy to produce round CRT, funded and developed mainly by RCA, was the CRT available. It was not until the mid 1960s that the burgeoning color TV market justified reinvestment in development of a next generation rectangular CRT.

Just my theory of how it was....

jr_tech 10-03-2009 12:07 AM

Bravo!!!! :thmbsp::banana::yes:

It Is really amazing to see this set in action, and so very close to producing a great picture! Good job!

jr

zenithfan1 10-03-2009 12:35 AM

OMG! What an awesome experience to be able to restore one of those, great work!

stromberg67 10-03-2009 06:49 AM

I'm floored! A joy to behold!! Darnit, I love vintage color sets! Thanks for the pictures!
Kevin

yagosaga 10-03-2009 09:22 AM

Holy smoke!

Congratulations, Steve!

Please post some more photos of the set!

Kind regards,
Eckhard

kx250rider 10-03-2009 10:28 AM

Hey, that's great news! Coincidently, I found one of the auxiliary knobs that fell off that set before (local collector) bought it from me. I think has 1 of the 3 on it, and 1 was missing when I found the set. Now the next question: How in Sam Hill did you get that out of the house?

Charles

Sandy G 10-03-2009 05:07 PM

Homina Homina Homina....(Eyes bulged out & babbling incoherently...Grin)

zenith2134 10-03-2009 05:16 PM

Hey, you're off to quite the start !! Would NOT mind owning one of these....excellent.

ohohyodafarted 10-03-2009 07:32 PM

Fantastic Steve!!!!! The picture is looking better and better. And I know it looks much better in person than the screen shots show

When you get around to it, could you take some shots of the rear of the chassis from several angles so we can see what the machanicals of this set look like.

Do I see what appears to be a field neutralizing coil, or is it a degausing ring. Does it also have purity magnets around the front of the screen?

Nice Work Steve!!!

Eric H 10-03-2009 10:00 PM

That is so cool, and bizarre, to see color pictures on a screen that looks like it should be B&W!

Aussie Bloke 10-04-2009 06:12 PM

Wow, so awesome to see a 50s rectangular tube colour TV in operation, awesome restoration work Steve!!! :) Look forward to seeing this set completely restored and put together! :)

freakaftr8 10-04-2009 06:53 PM

That is absolutely amazing! First I find out they made a rectangular color crt before the 15gp22 then I see two of them show up within 2 weeks of eachother, both crt's are good too!
My hats off to you on a great restore!

John Folsom 10-04-2009 06:56 PM

The Westinghouse rectangular color CRT did NOT pre-date the 15GP22. The 15GP22, 15HP22, 19VP22 and 21AXP22 all came before.

old_tv_nut 10-04-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve K (Post 2956182)
There is a bad case of video smearing that is next to address.
Steve

Steve, Any idea where the smear may be coming from? (Wondering if it could be tuner, IF, video, or some combination.)

Steve K 10-04-2009 08:20 PM

Bob:

It has a field neutralizing coil and there is a purity magnet at each corner.

Wayne:

The smear is coming from the tuner. When I sub it I get a great picture. I am waiting for some new tubes for it. I HATE working on tuners and this one looks like a cheap one. I may try to do a better set-up with the subber in place. I will post more pictures then.

Steve

bgadow 10-04-2009 09:56 PM

These 2 sets are a great way to kick off VK! Really amazing. Eventually another one will come out of the woodwork-my eyes are always open!

kx250rider 10-04-2009 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bgadow (Post 2956344)
These 2 sets are a great way to kick off VK! Really amazing. Eventually another one will come out of the woodwork-my eyes are always open!

Yeah; I guess I'll have to post up some pics tomorrow when I go pick up the two blond ones, and the console version... One has a loose vertical hold knob, so I may leave that one behind :smoke: NOT!

Seriously, I want to congratulate Steve K again for getting that set going! I had it sitting here for 10 years, and did nothing with it but check the tube. He gets sets done, and WELL. I tend to take decades to get around to them, and by then, usually a more exciting project has come up. But at least I don't start them and leave them 1/2 done and sell, which some collectors in the past have been known for.

Steve has definitely upstaged a minor surprise job I did on a set at my place for the 'other collector' who owns the Westinghouse...

Charles

andy 10-04-2009 11:43 PM

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Steve D. 10-05-2009 12:13 PM

Visited Steve K. yesterday. I was thrilled to see the 22" Westy in person. Steve K. has done a terrific job of restoring this set to working condition. While several problems such as a fussy tuner and some edge purity issues remain, I'm sure these will be corrected very soon. The turner may need alignment and the purity problem will probably go away when a complete setup is done as a final step in the process. I'm sure the purity will need futher adjustment after the set is transported back to the owner's home. The color is vibrant, especially the red, which appears to be a true red to my eye. The set produces a bright picture with good convergence from center to the edge of the screen. The convergence will also require slight tweaking in final setup. Even from a viewing distance of four feet small text was easily readable on the screen. It was as good an image, if not better, then I have seen on many 50's era 21" roundies at this stage of restoration. Watching color on the rectangular, much like a b&w 50's era shaped screen, was a bit strange at first. The full image is seen and even with the mask in place, none of the screen is cut off as with the roundie.
The chassis is sensibly designed with easy access to most componets and tubes and fully labeled, finger turned, no tools, service controls via a removable side panel. And, with the picture tube and chassis combined as one unit, when removed from the cabinet, there are no extension cables required to adjust or service any functions. The cabinet reminded me of RCA's entry level CTC-5 "Aldrich" model, perhaps slightly larger, Pretty much a vinyl clad Mahogany box with very little to set it apart from it's b&w cousins. As noted in other posts, no color logos or script indicating "color" on the front of the set. All in all a remarkable find and a great working example of this receiver. Hopefully, jr. will have the same good results with his 22" Westinghouse color. Thanks Steve K. for inviting me over.

-Steve D.

Steve K 10-06-2009 07:27 PM

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Thanks guys for the compliments on the restoration. Here is an update so far. I did a purity set-up today and the results are pretty good. I will post pictures of this and a few of the chassis. The chassis pictures were after I pulled out the tubes. The bottom view is of the chroma section. I am still waiting for some tubes so there is not much more I can do at this point. I touched up the convergence some but it still needs work.

Some of the pictures have lines in them which is from the camera and not actually on the screen.

Steve

Steve K 10-06-2009 07:28 PM

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Purity pictures

John Folsom 10-06-2009 08:26 PM

Yahoo!

old_tv_nut 10-06-2009 08:41 PM

Unbelievably marvelous!
Fess up - where did you find the time machine?

bgadow 10-06-2009 08:53 PM

I have new respect for Westinghouse!

tubesrule 10-06-2009 08:58 PM

Excellent job Steve! It looks like you don't have much further to go to get it perfect.

Darryl

zenithfan1 10-06-2009 09:00 PM

Gorgeous work Steve! I too have a lot more respect for Westinghouse, at least on this endeavor. The color is beautiful on that tube! I bet it looks stunning in person.

cbenham 10-06-2009 09:10 PM

I've never seen a Westinghouse like this at all. It makes really nice pictures.

Cliff

jr_tech 10-06-2009 09:13 PM

WOW!!!:banana::banana::banana::banana:

I am Green and Red and Blue with envy!... gotta get to work!!

jr

Charlie 10-07-2009 08:16 AM

That's awesome... absolutely awesome!!! :ntwrthy::ntwrthy::ntwrthy:

:grnbounce:nutz::banana::nutz::grnbounce

I gotta ask....the photo of the chassis underside... was that taken after you did your work??? Or is that a before shot?

Steve K 10-07-2009 09:05 AM

Charlie:

That's a before shot. The only difference now is that I changed those three tubular caps. I did not restuff any of the caps.

Steve

Charlie 10-07-2009 09:19 AM

Well, in either case, it looks like brand-spankin-new under there... as if it just came off the line!!! That set certainly wasn't found in any barn... that's for sure!

Pete Deksnis 10-07-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve K (Post 2956524)
Purity pictures

I'm grabbing a red-eye to so-cal to personally make sure you didn't Photoshop those purity pics!

Pete

RCAkid 10-07-2009 12:01 PM

What really amazes me is how they achieved rectangular color with so little under the chassis.

Me thinks they may have had the better technology....hmmm:scratch2:

jeyurkon 10-07-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RCAkid (Post 2956580)
What really amazes me is how they achieved rectangular color with so little under the chassis.

Me thinks they may have had the better technology....hmmm:scratch2:

Area 51 technology?

Charlie, no barn. They had it in Warehouse 13!

Sorry, I just have had my fill of reality today. :alien:

John

old_tv_nut 10-07-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCAkid (Post 2956580)
What really amazes me is how they achieved rectangular color with so little under the chassis.

Me thinks they may have had the better technology....hmmm:scratch2:

Did they get rectangular by extending the corners, or cutting off the sides? How does the width of this tube compare to a "21" roundie?

bandersen 10-07-2009 09:27 PM

Nice job Steve :thmbsp:

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCAkid (Post 2956580)
What really amazes me is how they achieved rectangular color with so little under the chassis.

Me thinks they may have had the better technology....hmmm:scratch2:

Keep in mind that's just the chroma circuit in the photo.

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Originally Posted by old_tv_nut (Post 2956659)
Did they get rectangular by extending the corners, or cutting off the sides? How does the width of this tube compare to a "21" roundie?

Isn't it the roundies that are cutting off the corners of the rectangular picture?

Eric H 10-07-2009 10:01 PM

Oh man, I want one of these even more than a CT-100!

Maybe the pictures are deceiving but the chassis doesn't seem big enough for a color set! It looks like a B&W chassis that through some Voo Doo makes color pictures.
Did Madman Muntz ever work at Westinghouse?

How does it compare in size and heft to say a CTC7, (which is huge)

Charlie 10-07-2009 10:30 PM

Didn't really notice this before, but looking at the top of the chassis again, I noticed they've laid out several of the larger paper/wax capacitors (perhaps .1mfd@200 or .05@600) nice and neat on top of the chassis instead of stuffing them underneath. That must make things much easier for changing caps!


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