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Scuzzer 07-27-2010 02:00 AM

RCA tv/stereo console
 
Anyone know what this is? I'd like to build a nice 1960 style entertainment room in the basement and a big old tv/stereo console might be kind of fun to have. I'm experienced with the tube amp side of things, I have zero knowledge of the TV side.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...atvconsole.jpg

DaveWM 07-27-2010 07:14 AM

That is a very nice set, def worth fixing and using, I hope its not still outside.

I have a roudie RCA, easy to work on and makes a nice picture.

kx250rider 07-27-2010 11:27 AM

I'd say it's a CTC-9 combo. Nice set, and very worthwhile! If you don't wind up wanting it yourself, you can undoubtedly find a nice profit in it!!

Charles

freakaftr8 07-27-2010 11:29 AM

Wow, that set is a beauty! I have not seen any RCA combo older then a CTC-16 before! Go get it Scuzzer, it's a color tv! You will not be dissapointed. All vacuum tube, amp, stereo, tv. (At least im almost positive the amp is not solid state) , someone chime in.

DaveWM 07-27-2010 11:44 AM

prob have the all tube RCA tuner as well, there were two versions I am aware of, both used a magic eye and one of them is very nice, very sensitive, I use it for DXing. That would be my pride and joy.

Scuzzer 07-27-2010 01:56 PM

I'll have to take a drive over there and check it out. I hope they aren't storing it where the picture was taken but it looks like there is a tarp in the pic so I'm thinking that's where it lives now. Thanks for the info guys.

DaveWM 07-27-2010 01:59 PM

:thmbsp:

hope it's inside and you get it, if you do pls post pics

Steve D. 07-27-2010 06:32 PM

RCA's first roundie combo was the CTC-10 "Cunningham" model. Not sure if this is that model.

-Steve D.

Adam 07-27-2010 06:55 PM

ctc-10 combo: http://novia.net/~ereitan/Gallery/im...gham%20800.jpg
I think that's it. I'm curious to see if this unit uses the remote or not.

sampson159 07-27-2010 09:35 PM

that is a ctc 10 combo.saw one in the 70s.color issue.rolling bars.mr dixon said this will soon be a collectors item.he was never wrong.grab this one before the "fishtankers" or "plasma"people destroy it.

Scuzzer 07-27-2010 10:45 PM

Wow, so this is early 60s and the first color tv/radio/phono combo. I guess I'll have to find a way to pick this up. Next on the list is finding some service info and schematics.

Steve D. 07-27-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 2979068)
ctc-10 combo: http://novia.net/~ereitan/Gallery/im...gham%20800.jpg
I think that's it. I'm curious to see if this unit uses the remote or not.

Sorry Adam. No remote control offered with this top of the line model. Seems strange.

-Steve D.

DaveWM 07-28-2010 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuzzer (Post 2979103)
Wow, so this is early 60s and the first color tv/radio/phono combo. I guess I'll have to find a way to pick this up. Next on the list is finding some service info and schematics.


Great, keep us posted.

kx250rider 07-28-2010 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve D. (Post 2979106)
Sorry Adam. No remote control offered with this top of the line model. Seems strange.

-Steve D.

I bet it would have overloaded the typical household electrical circuit; if that thing sucked up one more watt! If I recall, a base model CTC-10 uses about 375 watts without a tuner/amp, let alone a remote chassis (with about 6 additional tubes at that time).

Since Steve points out that the first combo was a CTC-10, think this set must be 10, as it has the "COLOR rainbow emblem on the mask, and safety glass. It could be an 11, but all but one of the 11s I've seen, had bonded CRTs and no safety glass.

Charles

zenithfan1 07-28-2010 11:55 AM

It also looks like it has a 21CYP22 judging by the phosphor color. I also would bet it's a 10.

Scuzzer 07-28-2010 02:53 PM

No callback yet... Schematics should be fairly easy to find for this correct? I'm not up on TV stuff so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great.

freakaftr8 07-28-2010 03:29 PM

Im sure with our help on the site, it will be a runner for sure. Alot of knowledge here! First thing usually is capacitors, cherck all the caps in the power supply circuits. You can get a vast idea if you search through the forums..

Scuzzer 07-28-2010 03:45 PM

I rebuild and scratch build tube amps so I'm good to go with the basics of recapping, testing, safety, etc. I have no idea about things specific to TVs though.

miniman82 07-28-2010 08:11 PM

After recapping it's usually just checking/adjusting waveforms, making sure horizontal output tube cathode current is in spec (another familiar tube amp thing), and watching for excess heat from the flyback transformer. Then just make sure the screen linearity/height/width are within spec, and you can enjoy!

DaveWM 07-28-2010 08:34 PM

and of course there is that anode thing that can bite you...:D

Phil Nelson 07-28-2010 08:34 PM

You will want the Sams service manual. My local library makes copies of any Sams manual for free, but not every library is up for that. If all else fails, you can look it up by model number and order from https://www.samswebsite.com/ .

Phil Nelson

Steve D. 07-28-2010 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kx250rider (Post 2979144)
I bet it would have overloaded the typical household electrical circuit; if that thing sucked up one more watt! If I recall, a base model CTC-10 uses about 375 watts without a tuner/amp, let alone a remote chassis (with about 6 additional tubes at that time).

Since Steve points out that the first combo was a CTC-10, think this set must be 10, as it has the "COLOR rainbow emblem on the mask, and safety glass. It could be an 11, but all but one of the 11s I've seen, had bonded CRTs and no safety glass.

Charles

Charles,

A good conclusion on why RCA failed to offer remote control in this model. However the tube count in the CTC-10 remote chassis is 11 not 6. So even more rpms on the electric meter.

-Steve D.

Dennman6 07-29-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by miniman82 (Post 2979195)
After recapping it's usually just checking/adjusting waveforms, making sure horizontal output tube cathode current is in spec (another familiar tube amp thing), and watching for excess heat from the flyback transformer. Then just make sure the screen linearity/height/width are within spec, and you can enjoy!

I've just gotten a 23ENP4 CRT rebuilt by Scotty at Hawkeye. UPS delivered it yesterday. It's for a 1965 RCA Victor B&W console that I intend to put back into service(parent's first new set). Besides the obvious metal can caps replacement, how does one check the cathode current of the horizontal output tube. In other threads I've read that too much current on this will "eat up" a flyback transformer. And this RCA has a good one in it. This will be my first attempt at restoring a TV, having done a few table radios & portable phonos before. I also have a 1930 Radiola 82 console a guy at work gave me 2 months ago. Fired it up once, it actually works, but a restore on this radio makes me nervous :)

Dennis Forkel

DaveWM 07-29-2010 07:38 PM

you should start a new thread on this, but generally speaking you will need to disconnect the lead from the cathode of the horz out tube, insert a amp meter (I like analog meters for this). Its a good idea to connect a .1uf cap across the leads when doing this as well. Often the sets will make it easy for you by providing a jumper that can be disconnected allowing connection to the jumper terminals.

miniman82 07-29-2010 08:29 PM

I like to remove the cathode to ground jumper and permanently install a 1-ohm/5-watt resistor. This way you can measure voltage (since measuring voltage across 1 ohm gives the same readout as if you were reading current), and the meter accidentally coming off the terminals doesn't kill HV.

DaveWM 07-29-2010 08:48 PM

Or a fuse would be a good idea.

bgadow 07-30-2010 11:44 AM

Once you figure out the model and/or chassis number of the combo make sure to post it. One of us can likely provide you with a copy of the Sams. You might also want to seek out a copy of the RCA Color TV Pict-O-Guide, shouldn't be hard to find on ebay. (don't overpay)

JB5pro 08-09-2010 05:13 AM

Please tell us that you saved it! That is a great item and u will be very lucky to have it as well as very happy after it is working with it's picture quality that will be better than many new sets. :) The all-tube stereo system is known to have incredible sound as well.


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