OK, who's spreading the BS around?
 

Not sure what the problem is with this guy?

Here's the thread on this set http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=248135

Here's the set on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-CT-100-Numbe...item43a0d41a8f

The seller has inhaled too much paint/varnish. FAIL

No one in their right mind would buy something with that language in the item description. Some people just dont understand how their poor attitude and ignorance hold them back in the world.

As for VK its free press.

Don't know who is spreading the BS, but this dude seems to have ingested a bunch of it.

Seems a tad bit ambitious with his appraisal of the sets value given its poor condition.

I imaging he will be holding onto that set for a while - I can't believe any serious CTC 2B collector would pay anywhere near what he wants for the set.

And people still don't seem to understand that it doesn't have the original chassis, it's a 2B...

Hey Eric, stop spreading excrement! lol

Yah, I'm a little confused. It's like he's arguing, but there's noone else in the room.

Phil

I've gotta say though, I really do have to see this from his side. I've heard stories from other collectors about the lengths they would go to even to get something like a later roundie, so I can only imagine the amount of (negative) attention he's received about this set. Call this a rant, but... It's time for a reality check.

I've heard of people stabbing fellow collectors in the back, I've heard stories of strongarm tactics, lies and all the rest and I gotta say: all of it disgusts me. Anyone here who has done those things should be ashamed to be part of this hobby, and I know there are a few here (some by first name). There seems to be no shame at times when it comes to getting that elusive set you've always wanted, but that does not give you the green light to cross all lines trying to get your way. The sad thing is that some of the people I'm talking about have more rare sets than ETF does, yet their need seems insatiable. At some point I do think it becomes hoarding, and takes all the fun out of collecting for others who are interested.

Take me, for example. I nearly left this hobby before I even got started because of some of the things I just mentioned. I may still leave if I get the impression that the attitude is not changing, because I will not associate with people who lie and cheat to get their way. That said, I would like to sincerely thank those who have gone out of their way to help me. Mark, Doug, oldtvnut, ect. Know that I perceive you to be in the minority at this point, and your help has been very much appreciated. I'm not a superstitious man, but I do believe that one's 'karma' comes back to them in due time. Mine certainly has.

I don't know what may have happened behind the scenes but in the thread here it seems it was treated fairly and openly.

There was some criticism about his asking price but considering how high it was I think that's to be expected.

If he gets what he's asking for it now I guess we can all have a heaping helping of Crow but I'll be surprised if he does barring a major breakthrough in cheap & reliable 15GP22 rebuilds.

Then again in a world where a 621TS fetches $2800 anything is possible, but at least those were in good shape and can be fixed.

It's like he is using karma as an ad !!!!
 

The way his item reads ; it is as though this place

(VK)

is a giant trampoline and we are the 'TRAP' ,that he is jumping up and down on !:banana::banana::banana:

What a misleading title on his auction - isn't that a no-no in eBayland?

Guy has some hostility issues, anyway...

If the set were closer I would definately like to have a hands on look at it - a CT 100 is 1 of the 3 set I really would like to aquire - and the matching cabinet numbers are intriguing - and the chassis needs to be verified -but still I believe the asking price is out of line, although the seller may get it - we have all seen items, not just televisions, sell for far more than they should fetch.

The ol' "I don't need you, you need me" attitude.

seems a bit agressive.

maybe he should ignore negative comments and concentrate on getting this sold.when you have to retort back at something,it shows ignorance and possible deception.starting bid wayyyyy too high and may have scared off a potential buyer.i have noticed that ebayers tend to raise the stakes at the very end of an auction.start out at 100.00 and see how it goes.i dont like the 5-6 day auctions either.when i am ready to buy,i want it now when i m in the mood.then i might find something i like more and lose interest.
there is a ct100 here in columbus.it is beautiful and was purchased from an auction of a former repair shop owner who passed on.picture looks very nice and sharp.it was restored electronically back in the mid 80s by an old timer who was one of the first "color"techs here.the finish was reflowed and looks good as new.it was in his collection and is currently in climate controlled storage.now this one is a 5000.00 dollars set!

What a shame. I think on the principle that even though I haven't met most of you guys face to face, you all really seem to be a great bunch and makes me happy to have come across AK/VK. I don't think that whatever happened between this dude on the bay and whomever he has been in contact with on VK meant to offend. I have not found anyone on here that seems to be greedy or a liar. Think the guy just has a wrong impression of someone here. You guys know your stuff (especially the ones that own a CT-100) that have been around them first hand. And if something just doesn't seem correct about the chassis, then why would we lie to the guy. We are just trying to help him out. (If I were him I would keep it and fix it up for myself) :)

Too bad the guy has an attitude, but if the CRT is good, the set is worth $4k. The cabinet could be refinished relatively inexpensively.

I know that, sometimes, we do go too far here. I say "we" because each of us has the ability to cry "foul" when things get out of line.

In the case of this set, I do not think we did so at all. The bottom line is that this set is going to need thousands of dollars worth of work to be made presentable/operational. How much do you suppose it would cost to get RACS to rebuild another 15GP22, including roundtrip shipping?

Every CT100 is special and should be saved...but the real money in these sets is in working picture tubes, plain and simple. What I see here is close to a basket case, one of the roughest CT100s that has come up for sale. It is still worth hundreds...but in my mind, not thousands.

Was it ever resolved whether this has a 2B chassis or not?

John

In one picture in the referenced thread, the chassis looks just like my CTC-2.
Set in question:
http://www.videokarma.org/attachment...2&d=1276960922
My CTC-2:
http://www.videokarma.org/attachment...9&d=1277002148

Chuck Pharis once posted a picture of a CT-100 with a model 21-CT-55 (2B) chassis, and the HV cage looks quite different:
http://www.pharis-video.com/ct-100~2.jpg

From:
http://www.pharis-video.com/p4105.htm

jr

I think the pictures of the Getter tell the story. :no:

Looks like he has a buyer all lined up to take it off his hands.

I seem to remember a Swiss museum asking about shipping in another recent CT-100 auction. Wonder where it is? I saw a few radios & TVs in the Bern communications museum, but I believe they were all European, like this Lorenz Autophon.

Phil

http://antiqueradio.org/art/sum99217.jpg

Might be this guy:

http://translate.google.com/translat...310%26prmd%3Do

John

My first thought would be scam. I can't imagine a museum buying a CT-100 in that condition when there so many nice ones around.

:yes:

My thoughts exactly.

Me too. I see questions to sellers like this fairly regularly. Usually from South America and Europe asking if they seller would be willing to ship the item overseas. Often the seller replies yes, but no bid is ever placed.

http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/f...049/6/6BS3.pdf
http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/f...019/6/6BS7.pdf
http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/f...093/6/6BS8.pdf
Not me :D

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This latest batch of pictures tell the following stories:

[1] This is a factory original CT-100 as indicated by '805' in each of the three cabinet parts: the front control cover, the cabinet, and the lid.
[2] This is a CTC2 and not a CTC2B. To identify a CTC2, start with the power transformer and move across the chassis to the HV cage. A CTC2 has a gray potted transformer extending from the cage (the vertical convergence transformer, a source of headaches to many operational CT-100 caretakers). A CTC2B does not use the same part, and the cage itself is larger.
[3] The channel indicator, if it exists at all (the pictures are mostly soft) is suspect. Unfortunately, it is quite common to have a channel indicator loose its CT-100.
[4] The spring return on the pencil box is sprung.
[5] The CRT is toast according to the photographs. I see a getter. I see no getter flash. There is a soft, brownish splotch where a getter flash might be, and in one picture there is a black-like splotch on the top of one of the three neck images. The same spot is not black in the other two images. So, because the photographs suck, let's assign a 20-percent chance that the tube is good. Plus, I've gotta ask, who went to see the set? What did the CRT look like? Did I miss a post?

This is a $2000 set at this point.

Pete

It seems like anyone selling the CT100 and has any knowledge of it's history thinks they have an instant gold mine, but just like anything else you have to consider it's condition and the probability of having a bad Crt, and we all know what the odds are of having one successfully rebuilt. I find that as time goes on I hang on to everything because parts that were once considered common are now starting to become harder and harder to find. All I can say is Caveat emptor.
s

Now that it is probable that RACS can rebuild 15GP22s, it is easier to value these sets. Assume that a rebuild will cost about $1000, and shipping around $400 both ways. So the difference between a set with a good and bad CRT should be about $1500.

How can you say RACS can rebuild 15GP22 crt's???
You have ONE rebuilt tube. That rebuild as I understand it is only a few months old. Given the propensity for 15GP22's to reach atmospheric pressure, are you not counting your chickens before the egg hatches?
You will not tell anyone if it is a successful rebuild!!! HOW MANY HOURS OF ACTUAL USE DOES THIS ONE REBUILD HAVE??? Playing a dvd copy of The Wizard of Oz on special ocassions does not equate a successful rebuild.

We have played the set for many, many hours. Yes, it is possible that the tube will fail in the future, but I think it is unlikely. The tube we had rebuilt was a worse case, with a huge leak at the junction between the metal and glass. The sealing method used by RACS (frit glass) appears to work well.

If the two tubes owned by Jerome Halphen are successfully rebuilt, I think we will be ready to recommend that collectors have their tubes done by RACS.

I stand by my statement that the successful rebuilding of 15GP22s is probable.

Guess we're drifting off topic but...

From a purely statistical basis I suppose it hasn't been proven. But you could say that about any rebuild. You could always have an undetectable small leak that would cause a problem decades later.

Once could have a minimum of 5 CRTs rebuilt and then see how they're doing 20 years later, but I suspect most would rather take the risk of having theirs rebuilt rather than waiting for the results of the test.

The repairs are based on knowledge of where the leaks are and the technology used to repair them has had years of success. I think that lends credence to Steve's optimism.

Operating hours probably doesn't prove much except to show that the guns will last. Thermal cycling might be important, but that will occur at the neck of the tube where leaks haven't been found, to the best of my knowledge.

RACS has shown they can seal the glass/metal interface leak. Of the tubes I've had the opportunity to see, thanks to John and Bob, the two most probably locations for leaks are the weld on the Ultor flange and the glass/metal interface.

I don't know if any of Jerome's have a leak at the weld, but seeing how RACS deals with that version of the leak will be interesting.

John

Well, it's gotten past infant mortality. And frit glass I think has been used quite well on vacuum florescent display, and probably is better than using epoxy and such (25 years ago where I worked, we had "Torr Seal" which was a white epoxy used by the guys using vacuum pumps and such)

In questions to the seller, this is what I sent him:

The person who buys this set will be an expert on it and will know what he is buying. There will be no amateurs like yourself looking to buy it or would want to turn it into a fishbowl. The background info you give is very common knowledge among the collectors and easily found available by googling "CT100". As far as accusing ANY member of VideoKarma of being bovine excrement is disgusting. I am a proud member of VideoKarma and I just might be considered an expert on television as I have been doing it for over 45 years both in the consumer industry and as a broadcast engineer. There are also many members of VideoKarma that absolutely blow me away for their engineering skills in making these and other very complicated items work. Apparently you got into this set inexpensively and stand to do well on it and additionally, I suggest you tout it for what it is and leave out any reference to any club or individuals who may have offended you and sell it in a professional manner.

Here was his reply:

Hi Sir - You take yourself entirely too seriously. Part of the reason I have not tested the CRT electrically is because of advise from one of the videokarma members. All I was tring to convey was that TV collectors are as silly and persnickety as old car collectors, except worse. The fact that you felt the need to write me shows more about you than me. As far as the cabinet on my CT-100, it is about the same condition as the other one presently on eBay, except the sun faded side - If I were a crook I would not have posted a pic of that side. This cabinet can easily be restored, but then I know how to do that, but most collectors do not and will have to pay big bucks for the work. My CT-100 front is actually cleaner than the San Diego set - that whole set is sun faded, not just the one side. And its red stripe looks horrible, mine is nearly perfect, so don't tell mine is a piece of junk. Videokarma is made up of good guys and pirates, but a CT-100 tends to bring out the pirates!

Here was my additional reply:

First, I didn't call you a crook.
Second I didn't say there was anything wrong with your set as it looks nice and above average and certainly did not imply it was a piece of junk.
TV & car collectors are silly? Maybe so but just look at your ebay ad.
Pirates on VideoKarma? I find far more on ebay.

I met this seller when he lived in Missouri eight or so years ago. He seemed like a nice enough guy.

I agree that his listing conveys a bit of an attitude. I love reading these auction posts, but you have to wonder what a casual observer might think about all the negative comments about value, condition, etc that every auction thread contains. It's not like anyone has to buy this for his amount or even for $1.

The same holds true with a few other collector sites that I'm on. It's human nature to want to comment, just don't be shocked is someone calls it BS.

Travis

no takers at 4k

A buyer would have to be an idiot to get involved with a sell with that kind of attitude. If the seller had just stuck to solid facts and pictures I bet it would have sold.