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Roundie in Philadelphia
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/atq/2286103597.html
Anybody know what chassis this is? it's definitely not from the 50s.:lmao: Me likey.Only problem is where to put it.:D:scratch2: Shame on me considering another roundie when I'm practically out of room.:nono: I think he needs to come down a little before I'd overcrowd myself.:) But I'd have no problem if someone from here would save it and me from overcrowding.:) |
CTC 16 from '66 or '67. It has the wrong tuner knob fro a newer set. For 100 I should hope it has a good fly and crt at the very least based on prices i have seen
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Uh-oh a CTC16.:drool:I 've read here that is one of RCAs best chassis.Yeah I wouldn't pay that unless he let me test the crt at least.
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Why not? $100 seems to be a pretty fair price for a roundie these days, it's what I paid for my CTC-9, and $125 for the CTC-4.
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if the cabinet was mint i would think 100 is good even with bad fly and crt but that is such a common set that one can get for not much more working good from what i think i have seen. i bet both the fly and crt are likely good in that since it is obviously a replacement crt because of phospher color.
there is no comparison to that old tired CTC-16 and almost any repairable CTC-9 in terms of value. i am not trying to come across as anything close to an expert. jus reviewin what i think i have seen/read |
According to my RCA manual, the 21FJP22 is what it's supposed to have, so the green color on the face would be normal. No way to tell it's been replaced till you see the back of the tube.
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that set looks like it has about a million hours on it. Never seen one with so much wear around the tuning knob that that. First thing you'll do is change the 6GH8's and at the same time, the tube sockets will go right through the pc boards.
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picture tube for late ctc 16 is 21fjp22a
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It could be the lighting but the screen color looks lighter than the original style greenish 21FJ. Even the color knobs look like someone used Formula 409 to clean them leaving maybe none of those very pretty colors they should have.
What a product name... Formula 409... with such a technical sounding name like that it must be very good. Sooo much better than than the previous four hundred and eight versions. |
heck they say or best offer, someone go throw them a 40$ offer, or you could go up some if they let you test the CRT (and you peek at the FLY).
I figure 40$ is fair if for nothing more than parts that "should" be ok, I guess you could get a real heap (bad fly/yoke/vert out, shorted Pwr trans, broken converg assy, in which case you would be down to maybe getting pots, coils, tuner, etc... I just tell them the truth, if the CRT is bad then it become VERY hard to repair since they are hard to get. And even if its test just OK there is alway the chance of it dropping dead to gas (that is what happened to a zenith I picked up a few months back, it had a weak tube, and after about 30 min of combined run time it just went to air, and the filament burned out before I even knew what happened. anyway thats my 2 cents on it. I dont know if they understand that collectors are not getting rich off these old sets, you can drop a lot of coin trying to get one up and running and most likely will never get your money back,much less profit on it. I think after they get a few calls, you know, I'll be right over, give me directions, I am on the way, etc... and then the caller never shows up, they will begin to understand that money talks. |
I agree with Dave on all points.
It is a shame most people can't figure out for themselves what is logical and will most always, no matter how much they smile with "sincere" niceness, believ u are not telling the truth to make a fortune off them. I am sure many great sets ended up in the trash from such typical mindsets. Some people believ such to the point of resenting anybody that offers less than what they want to the point they get angry and enjoy "getting back at you" by trashing the set rather than recognize an honest person and accept a reasonable offer. However, with this very tired but very worthwhile CTC16 I bet he takes a low offer. |
you know even a 40$ is prob a "great" offer when you put it into perspective (outside our TV collector view point). If not for a handfull of guys (and gals if you are out there) that can actually do something (other than the alledged repurposing of the cabinet which I would bet rarely ever gets done or is kept very long if it does), these things would cost money just to have someone haul them away. I am sure there are exceptions, and I would have no problem buying from another collector where the working status is well know and therefore the set has more value, but with these kinds of sets (CL buys with unknown status) that are not operating its really just a crap shoot.
Sometimes i wonder if non collectors find this site and get all worked up over our at times rabbid like obsession, and think they are really going to score big. Of couse what they dont know is A) not all old TV's are created equal, B) like real estate location location location, and C) even we have limits on how many can be save due to size and storage. |
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Philly is barely within reasonsable driving distance for me.I've driven farther for a jukebox but as you said this is a low value tv of unknown condition that may have a lot of hours on it.I think Bryan Gadow has an impressive collection for being in this area but he gets around more than I do and has been collecting tvs for years. I sold or gave away all I had until recently when I got interested in old sets again.I still don't have any room. |
I agree with Dvae that $40. should be top dollar if dealing with fair minded people. I agree that many people skim the pages of this site and see what they want to see and believe they have something worth 100 times more than it is. I agree that if u can't find one anywhere 100 could be a low price but I recommend Daves approach to possibly get a fair price even if no others are around. At any day there could be 2 or 3 to choose from right after u buy it. However, I am sure it is worth going to look at and explain to the buyer all relevant points and most likely they will let u peek inside the cabinet and HV cage at the very least if they are in any way a decent person with half a mind or better. I think the fact that set exists after all the use it apperas to have had indicates a strong likelyhood it could have a new flyback and very good if not newish CRT.
I hope somebody can get to it to help avoid losing a new flyback and or picture tube. Even if you dont have room for the whole cabinet that I think looks pretty nice, you could save the parts and throw the cabinet in the trash (save some wood veneer for repairing other cabinets) which is much better than the whole thing being trashed which is most likely what will happen to it. I wish I could go get it. |
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More on my logical assuption... There is no way that is the original CRT cause it has no catatracs and the phosphor color is lighter than the original for that set. That fact along with the wrong knob and color controls that have been cleaned wrong erasing the pretty colors indicate the set was used alot and therefore had repairs. It is almost a certanty that the flyback was changed for it to last long enough to need a CRT. So, doesn't matter the circuit boards may be baked. You are likely to get a god CRT, Flyback, Yoke, correct wood veneer to repair cabinets and many other small parts, maybe even a good transformer. Then you are stocked tomaintain or rebuild another and just throw away all you dont want like the cabinet faceplate, etc.
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All respect due, that is just as you said- an assumption. Just because it's free of PVA deterioration is NOT proof of other chassis parts replacement. I had an original Zenith tube in my closet that had no cats... The lighter color may just be because of the way the photo was taken, and it wasn't a very good shot to begin with. Also remember that not all brands used the same material to attach the lens, and there's no promise they all transmit the same amount of ambient light. Ones with frosted lenses will look different still. Quote:
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What do you base this wild claim on? Again, I have seen many sets with a lot of hours and original transformers. My own CTC-4 has a lot of hours on it, and aside from a flyback that RCA themselves changed (apparently due to a manufacture's update part, not failure as evidenced by the hang tags left by the techs), the chassis was all original when I picked it up from the original owner's home in Indiana. The CRT in it had been replaced at least 3 times, which can be seen by the glass welds on the picture tube. So by your logic, it has had at least 2 flybacks replaced right? Quote:
High hour sets do tend to have baked PCB's, but again, we can't see the back of the set. Mark's CTC-9 had some good hours on it, ask him what condition the chassis parts were in when he started... I not saying this to be a jerk or anything, but there are some wild claims being made here. I know I'm not alone when I say that not all of these old sets were 'bad' with respect to maintenance, in fact some of them went a lot of years between servicing and never needed parts. My CTC-7 still has the original flyback, and has had at least one CRT replacement during it's lifetime... |
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I have to agree.He's condemning it to a parts set and hasn't even seen the inside of the set.High hours doesn't necessarily bake circuit boards. I know I'm comparing a completely different set here but I have a 56 Admiral here that defininitely had high hours on it. only 1 tube was an Admiral tube and it was weak.The crt was missing the base but comparing the label with an RCA Silverama tube I have here which is identical I believe it is a replacement Siverama tube rather than the original further evidence of high hours. it's darkened somewhat around the heater area(I'd say from high hours) and it is even a little weak but has a great picture after about a minute or 2.The flyback and yoke are original though. Only the area around the audio output tube is baked somewhat since it's a hot running tube that they pc mounted. |
hey dudes dr. phil might call u "right fighters" if u keep misinterpreting my words. my point is someone should go check it out whether to save or parts if nobody else wants it .... doii :)
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I take your words as I see them...
If you're stating your opinion that there are likely bad parts because of your opinion that the CRT is a replacement, I've interpreted your words exactly as they are written. I you meant that someone should check it out to ascertain it's condition, would it not have been easier to just say so? Clarity on the internet is important, we're not talking to each other face to face and often times people can be misunderstood. |
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could u do me a flavor? give me a break pleeeas!!!!!!! go fix tv's and respect me as i respect u |
OK, guys, let's all back off a notch or 2 here...Yes, the WRITTEN word can, and frequently DOES, get taken the wrong way-'Specially on the Internoot...That's why we ALL have to be a lot more accomodating & give each other the benefit of the doubt.
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fair enough :)
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I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you what your statements meant to ME. It was my impression that you were saying the set had obviously bad parts in it because of what you perceived as a replacement tube. That may or may not be the case, but my previous statement stands: you can't sit there and say it has other bad parts simply because the CRT has been replaced. There's no basis in fact for that, none of us have seen it. Quote:
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We are all on the same team, what we have here is either a failure to communicate or a misunderstanding. All I'm doing is disagreeing with you, if you don't like it you're free to disagree with me as well. Quote:
I'm not bagging on you, it helps to have thicker skin on the net though. After all, you don't even know me so it makes no sense to get mad at a computer screen. The people who do know me (banderson, Mark, Wayne, ect) know that I'm pretty easy going, let's just chill a little bit. |
coo koo....coo koo
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Okay, I'm going to bring up the CRT in question on this set. When the CTC-Xx series sets were introduced they came from RCA with their new "Hi-Lite" series tube which the safety glass had the blueish tint to it and matched the appearence of the bezel.
The earlier CTC-16 series with the greenish surround on it's bezel had the greenish tint tube that was not a "Hi-Lite" but more along the lines of earlier 21FJP's. The RCA "Colorama" series rebuilts had the blueish face just like the "Hi-Lites". Yes, I do believe that this set has some kind of a replacment CRT in it. Heck, any tube that has no cateract, has vacuum and tests good nowadays is always a keeper! Even if it was some cheap local off brand rebuild! Parts set or not, someone needs to check it out! |
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Marty, I didn't know the bezels also changed to match the CRT's. Pretty interesting. If that is so, then it likely does have a replacement tube in it. Funny thing is both my old RCA sets have this sort of beige colored CRT surround, where the 21CYP22 tubes in them are grey or some kinda off-white. Wonder when they started color matching the bezels? Had to be after the CTC-9 series... |
I like that cabinet style. It's a late 16 or it might even be a CTC-20.
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I didn't mean to get you guys riled up at each other over a tv neither of you want and both are probably too far away to save.:no:
I saw this set on craigslist and thought someone here might save it that lives in a big old house or has a shop behind their house might save it:o. I thought I might like an RCA roundie to keep my 29JC20 Zenith company but dammit roundies take up a lot of room and I already have in a single wide mobile home 6 jukeboxes,a1967 Seeburg HSC1 album player(Its like an overgrown console stereo that's a cross between a jukebox and a console stereo holds 50 albums and is 6 feet long to those that never heard of it and don't know what one is:eek:)1 large size Magnavox console stereo,1 Zenith roundie console tv,a 1951 RCA b/w console and the 1956 admiral console soon to go to its new home. If no one wants to save it rather than fighting with each other maybe I should have just kept it to myself.:nono: It is a 3 to 4 hour trip 1 way though. I only wish someone in the area would check it out first.:sigh: |
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There's no arguement being had, only a disagreement. Is the community so touchy-feely that we aren't even OK with disagreeing with each other? I hope the set gets saved just as much as anyone, and I also hope the CRT, yoke and flyback are good! :thmbsp: |
I hope the set gets saved just as much as anyone, and I also hope the CRT, yoke and flyback are good! :thmbsp:[/QUOTE]
RIGHT THERE is the MAIN thing ! SOMEBODY needs to save it, one way or another...The supply of Roundies IS finite, the newest ones are 40+ yrs old, we need to try & save as many as we can, so hopefully future generations can enjoy 'em for the technological marvels they are...Imagine having a WORKING Roundie in 2100 or 2150...Due to the efforts of a bunch of "Mad Monks" way back in 2011.. |
I decided not to read most of the stuff in this thread! All I can say is, if the crt is good, this is a bargain as a parts set. It may someday reach the point when $100 is the going price for a good CTC-16 flyback.
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yep thats my point, if you cant test the CRT then 40$ even if its bad and the fly is bad you can still hopefully get some other parts. If the CRT test weak then it maybe gassy and iffy. If the CRT test strong then its a good deal for it alone. Looking at the fly will help to determine if it looks in good shape or toast. So if you cant test the CRT and the Fly looks like toast or you are not permitted to even look, I would stick to around 40$. You can go up based on the results of testing or observation or both.
kinda funny 3 pages on a tv no one has even looked at :) kinda supports the rabbid theory.... |
I wish it was close to me. I would be all over it. If nothing else to see if the CRT was good, since I will need one for my CTC-12.
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i jus did not want to be misunderstood but if someone says my words somthin other than what they mean seems right to correct i am not a "right fighter" my best TV friend Dr. Phil taught me no to do that :) i sincerely apologize to all for being an idiot of sorts. i never intend disrespect and surely do not want to irratate or hurt feelins ever. now i am gonna cry with morris alberts "feelings" yes i really do think that is a beautiful song but the cry part was in jest |
I live in Philadelphia, so this will be easy for me to go see.
Seller has been contacted. While you guys fight and argue, I'm gonna go check it out, and prolly buy it. |
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Any news on this set? Did you get it? It's down to $50 now. |
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