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radio nut 10-08-2011 08:01 AM

tube question
 
My current project uses a 6af6 tuning indicator eye tube. The tube has two sides but only one side is active. Should both sides move when the set is tuned?

Reece 10-08-2011 11:57 AM

The 6AF6 has separate grids for each side of the pattern. If the two grids (pins 3 & 4) are connected together, both sides of the pattern should move unless the tube is defective.

In some cases the two grids may go to separate circuits as the design was to better indicate FM vs. AM tuning.

radio nut 10-11-2011 12:00 PM

each side is wired differently so maybe its a resistor that is out of tolerance. But I have bigger fish to fry, the fm sounds out of tune no matter what I do. I did read on a capehart site that resistors in the fm circuit are fairly critical as far as tolerances are concerned so I'd better get busy!

radio nut 10-12-2011 10:07 AM

The diagram that I have been using is from nostalgiaair. Its does not have watt ratings for resistors. So what do I do for replacements?

radio nut 10-12-2011 12:00 PM

I checked a few resistors and I looked for replacements and can't seem to find the high resistance ones. Can anyone tell me where to find as an ex. 33m resistors.

wa2ise 10-12-2011 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radio nut (Post 3015961)
... high resistance ones. Can anyone tell me where to find as an ex. 33m resistors.

Be aware that some really old schematics used "M" for "thousand" Like as in "millennium" for "1000 years". See if the diagram has any resistors marked with "K", if not, then this could be the case. So that could be a 33K resistor.

bandersen 10-12-2011 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radio nut (Post 3015955)
The diagram that I have been using is from nostalgiaair. Its does not have watt ratings for resistors. So what do I do for replacements?

You can usually estimate the wattage based on the size of the original resistors. 1/2 watt should be fine for most. Bigger ones are likely 1 or 2 watts.

Reece 10-12-2011 06:21 PM

The pictures on this site will give you an idea of wattage ratings:

http://www.philcorepairbench.com/resistcompare.htm

radio nut 10-26-2011 11:41 AM

Ok, thanks for the resistor info. I have yet to get resistors but will order them soon. Now I have a new problem I have never seen. the am band has been running well so I use this radio frequently. After its been on awhile it gets a ringing noise in the speaker. when this happens if i tap the amplifier chassis the ringing gets louder as I'm tapping. What in the world causes this? I rechecked my solder joints and all paper/electrolytics have been replaced. This also happens on aux. input so I am saying it has to be the amp/rectifier chassis only. This issue takes about 20 minutes to show up

47'Plymouth 10-26-2011 11:51 AM

hi Radionutt
got a new 6AF6 in a Cornell-Dubellier model BN Capacitor tester thats used to test for shorts..has a 12AX7 for a rectifier/amp tube...trying to redo it also:scratch2::thmbsp:

old_coot88 10-26-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by radio nut (Post 3017015)
... it gets a ringing noise in the speaker. when this happens if i tap the amplifier chassis the ringing gets louder as I'm tapping. What in the world causes this?

Almost certainly a microphonic tube.

Reece 10-27-2011 06:05 AM

Coot has it. Tap each tube in turn and you should localize it. The answer is a new tube, but you can often silence a microphonic tube with extra weight attached to it, which modifies its mechanical point of resonance. A way old timers did it (thank you, thank you) was to wind a number of turns of heavy solder around the tube envelope. Then slide it off, tighten up the turns a bit, and slip back on so it stays by its own pressure. Looks funky but usually works.

old_coot88 10-27-2011 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece (Post 3017107)
...A way old timers did it (thank you, thank you) was to wind a number of turns of heavy solder around the tube envelope. Then slide it off, tighten up the turns a bit, and slip back on so it stays by its own pressure. Looks funky but usually works.

Some early TV tuners used a lead shield on the mixer/osc. tube to quiet down the microphonics. Without it the oscillator tended to "FM" like crazy with every click of the detent.

radio nut 11-09-2011 02:03 PM

well, I replaced the bad tube,found an out of tolerance resistor and a dead resistor in the tuning eye circuit. Tuning eye is good now. I still think the fm sounds slightly out of tune. The rider's info says that the discriminator transfomer has a calibration to it. The picture of the chassis does not show a transfomer for it and neither does the electrical diagram. The 6h6 disc. tube is good and the resistors and caps around it check fine.If I hook a cd player to the phono input it is extremely clear and sounds great. Is the circuitry just not able to get the fidelity I am thinking I should get?

radio nut 11-09-2011 02:09 PM

This set is a capehart panamuse with two chassis's and 23 tubes. It has seperate am and fm circuits up to the audio amp.model 21n2

radio nut 11-11-2011 11:26 AM

Well, this is my first fm radio I have worked on, someone showed me the discriminator transformer. I was mistaking it for an IF transformer. More learning for me...... I guess its back to the calibration and see what I get. Learning as you go along can be a little interesting from time to time.....

radio nut 11-29-2011 12:27 PM

Well, I went to check voltages to make sure there were no issues and I am having problems. Using a digital volt meter the circuits I have checked so far I am only reading 6.3 ac. the audio tube on the tuner calls for 340 dc on one pin. My meter does not read anything but an ac voltage. I tried it on my car when running it shows 13.87dc. in a wall outlet 122 ac. but every tube pin I have checked it reads 6.3 ac. Any ideas? the radio plays well but my fm is not calibrated correctly. I have fully recapped the set and played it for many hours. The voltages were checked from tube pins to ground like manual calls for. In the past I have used this voltmeter on tube tv's and never had this problem

radio nut 12-12-2011 09:10 AM

well my digital meter was getting confused. I will need to use an analog meter to finish voltage checks.


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