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miniman82 03-08-2012 12:28 PM

Pair of CT-100's and a pair of Moto 21CT2's for sale
 
That's right, a pair of each! :banana:

http://www.earlytelevision.org/classifieds_color.html


Both CT-100's have bad CRTs, the Motos don't say.

kx250rider 03-08-2012 12:48 PM

I know him... Interesting story about those sets.. He used to live in LA, and nearly lost those sets in the '94 Northridge Earthquake. I remember seeing his condo building lying in ruins on TV, and later I found out that Tom was holed up inside, keeping an eye on his TVs, and refused to evacuate (as ordered by the LA Sheriff and the Building & Safety Dept). I'm shocked he's selling them! I haven't talked with him in years since he moved to CO, so a good chance to catch up. I personally saw one of those working, and the tube wasn't bad at that time. I'm not going after the CT-100s; just in case anyone is wondering...

Charles

ohohyodafarted 03-08-2012 02:24 PM

Made an offer on the Moto's. I already have 2 ct100 with good tubes so I will leave the RCA's for some other collector. But they look like nice original sets.

UPDATE:
2 Moto's are comming to Milwaukee to live at Bob's house. Steve McVoy will be bringing them to Hilliard and I will pick them up at convention, when I deliver the rest of the Hawkeye equipment that I have been storing, during ETF convention.

Se ya all at convention. Be there or be square.

miniman82 03-08-2012 09:40 PM

Good news, Bob! I can't wait to see your latest projects, good thing they won't be total rehabs like your latest endeavor. You need an easy one for a change, I just hope the 21AXP22's are good.

jeyurkon 03-13-2012 05:21 PM

:banana: I acquired one of the CT-100's. It was originally owned by KYW in Cleveland. It's on the road now with Steve on the way to ETF so I can pick it up at the convention.

The other one was owned by Hickok for developing test equipment. Steve Mcvoy tested the 15GP22 in that one and says that it's good! Mine is gassy and will need to take a vacation in France.

John

Sandy G 03-13-2012 06:11 PM

Ah HATE yews guys....-Yosemite Sam, Esq. (grin) Seriously, a BUNCH of nice sets saved ! Excellent news for all !

ohohyodafarted 03-13-2012 07:56 PM

John,

Congratulations in your membership into the CT-100 club. :D:yippy:

miniman82 03-13-2012 07:58 PM

Wow, that's great! Wonder why the CRT was advertized as being bad?

jeyurkon 03-13-2012 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miniman82 (Post 3029684)
Wow, that's great! Wonder why the CRT was advertized as being bad?

Both sets quit working in 1976. He assumed that both were gassy after the first one became gassy. One can be forgiven if they don't remember something correctly that happened 36 years ago.

I was amazed about how much he knows of the history of each set.

Pete Deksnis 03-13-2012 08:35 PM

John,

Glad you got one of the two. Michigan has at least five CT-100's now!

One more than Wisconsin ;-)

Pete

Steve McVoy 03-13-2012 09:33 PM

I tested the CRT in the older CT-100 today - .9 on the red and green guns, .8 on the blue on a Beltron. Bob and John's sets are on their way to Ohio now.

miniman82 03-13-2012 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Deksnis (Post 3029686)
One more than Wisconsin ;-)



I'm from WI, does that count? :D

ohohyodafarted 03-14-2012 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miniman82 (Post 3029690)
I'm from WI, does that count? :D

YES! And that means that Wisconsin also has the ONLY working prototype tri color tube in existance. :banana:

Zenith26kc20 03-14-2012 11:47 AM

If memory serves me right, those Motorolas have a very unique color circuit. They also have a hugh power supply! I had one in high school and until the 21AX went bad, ran the daylights out of it! It was replaced with a Zenith 26KC20.

Pete Deksnis 03-14-2012 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohohyodafarted (Post 3029718)
YES! And that means that Wisconsin also has the ONLY working prototype tri color tube in existance. :banana:


Ah, political intrigue: Wisconson vs. Michigan vs. Indiana

Remember, the guy who counts the votes determines the winner.

Pete
Editor -- CT-100 Living List ;-)

Sandy G 03-14-2012 02:07 PM

There are 2 or 3 here in Tennessee. Unfortunately, none are mine.

miniman82 03-14-2012 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Deksnis (Post 3029734)
Ah, political intrigue: Wisconson vs. Michigan vs. Indiana

Remember, the guy who counts the votes determines the winner.

Pete
Editor -- CT-100 Living List ;-)

So am I in or what? :thmbsp: WI and proto tube FTW! :D

jeyurkon 03-15-2012 09:09 PM

4 Attachment(s)
Here are some photos Steve McVoy took after transporting it to the ETF.

I've shown the worst side of the cabinet. The other sides look better.

The chassis looks pretty nice.

I'll need to start a thread eventually.

John

jr_tech 03-15-2012 09:15 PM

Very Nice! :thmbsp:

Congratulations on joining the CT-100 club!

jr

ohohyodafarted 03-15-2012 09:23 PM

Ok so lets see,

Bob G has 2, There is a fellow in the Madison area that got one out of Minnesota a number of years back, Steve Kissinger has one in West Bend, and I am going to count Steves California CT100 as a Wisconsin set because Steve is a Wisconsin native. :yes: And then there is Nick's ct100 who is also a displaced Wisconsin native who is forced to live accross the state line in Illinois, but we won't hold that against Nick because he is patriotic American serving his country in the US Navy :thmbsp:

I make that 6 for Wisconsin Plus Nick's one and only prototype tri-color crt.

:banana:

Sandy G 03-15-2012 09:35 PM

Uhh, VERY Stoopit Question: WHY did they "Wash" the inside of the cabinet black ?

old_tv_nut 03-15-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 3029843)
Uhh, VERY Stoopit Question: WHY did they "Wash" the inside of the cabinet black ?

Well, uh, er, I dunno! You have hit on something I always took as normal, like living next to the tracks and never hearing the trains. I wonder if there is a good answer.

Edit: like maybe black is the cheapest stuff they could find to treat the wood against moisture or something?

Steve K 03-15-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

I am going to count Steves California CT100 as a Wisconsin set because Steve is a Wisconsin native.
Hey Bob:

That's how I had it figured. We can't let Michigan win! If Pete doesn't see it this way I guess I will have to ship my California set back home!

Steve

old_tv_nut 03-15-2012 11:08 PM

If it's getting too crowded in Wisconsin, I'm willing to take one

Electronic M 03-16-2012 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miniman82 (Post 3029748)
So am I in or what? :thmbsp: WI and proto tube FTW! :D

You could always store that CT-100 with me for awhile......That would help shore up the Wi count better (Folks from Ill. are coming here and getting hotel rooms to vote in our elections (!WTF!) anyway so why not), and I wouldn't badger ya to take it back too soon. :D

Quote:

Sandy G Uhh, VERY Stoopit Question: WHY did they "Wash" the inside of the cabinet black ?
Black objects absorb and radiate heat better than reflective ones (whoda thunk college physics would come in handy for an EE? ), so it was probably to help transmit more heat out of the cabinet through thermal radiation (no not the kind of radiation that makes ya glow in the dark :D ).

Pete Deksnis 03-16-2012 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miniman82 (Post 3029748)
So am I in or what? :thmbsp: WI and proto tube FTW! :D

Ok, I concede :tears: WI over MI in the Merrill bowl!

But, I'm still preaching that RCA introduced the first mass-produced NTSC color television set. :yes:

Not Westinghouse. :thumbsdn:

Not Admiral. :no:, which according to newspaper clips we've all seen, was on the market even before the Westy...

Pete
Proud supoporter of CT-100's the world over!

jeyurkon 03-16-2012 11:11 AM

Looking at Phil's photos you can see that they also included the vent holes at the top of the cabinet when they washed it black.

The CT-100 doesn't have the brightest screen in the world. It would likely be watched in a dim room. The metal back has a high optical transparency, better than 50%.

It has a gazillion tubes in it.

I think they painted all these surfaces black to reduce the amount of light that would shine on the wall behind the set from all the tube filaments.

I don't think they would have carefully included the top vent grooves/holes for any other reason.

Painting the interior black would make sense for heat reasons if it were a metal cabinet, but wood is a pretty good insulator. So the heat would have to be reflected out the back, in addition to convection cooling. A low emissivity surface would work just as well as a high one at reflecting the heat out the back so I don't think it was painted black for heat dissipation.

Actually I mean that a low emissivity surface would reflect the heat out and a high emissivity surface would re-emit it out.

John

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 3029843)
Uhh, VERY Stoopit Question: WHY did they "Wash" the inside of the cabinet black ?


Pete Deksnis 03-16-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeyurkon (Post 3029876)
I think they painted all these surfaces black to reduce the amount of light that would shine on the wall behind the set from all the tube filaments.

I don't think they would have carefully included the top vent grooves/holes for any other reason.

John

In support of your theory John, the Merrill cabinet was not painted black below the chassis in the speaker chamber.

Pete
Proud supoporter of CT-100's the world over!

ChrisW6ATV 03-17-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeyurkon (Post 3029876)
The CT-100 doesn't have the brightest screen in the world. It would likely be watched in a dim room. The metal back has a high optical transparency, better than 50%.

It has a gazillion tubes in it.

I just realized, a CT-100 basically has a "TV lamp" built in! :)


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