Motorola 19CK1
 

Mr Poster has listed on Epay a very interesting Motorola Color TV: a 1954 Motorola 19CK1 color TV, 19 inch set. It has its original CBS-Hytron CRT!

A pretty reasonable starting price for a set as rare as this. It will be interesting to see how this one goes...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/super-rare-1...item35c3574fa3

But that's the same one that Santa just brought. :sigh:

http://videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=256682

Surprise! Did anyone really think he had turned into a TV collector?

I had sent Harry an email asking if he was turning into a collector, and he confessed that it would probably be up on ebay eventually, so no surprise.

I am a bit surprised at his opening price, Harry usually starts things at a very reasonable opening bid. And what is the status of the CRT?

BTW, I am NOT bidding....

Awww man John! I thought you were gonna get it for me as a gift:D!

It doesn't seem that unreasonable of an opening bid considering this TV is in excellent original condition not to mention the rarity. Who cares what the opening bid is. Doing it this way reserves the bidding to people who are serious about getting it as we all know TV's like this will sell for the opening bid, even the ones that are rusted up moldy turds that were sitting in a damp basement since 1962... Valuable items with low opening bids just opens the door for stupid bidders who just get into the $1 bidding increment wars as they somehow think they will win the item as long as they keep playing the game jacking the price up throughout the entire run of the auction. Then the big shot bidder comes in at the last second and blows them of the water . :D

Too bad I'm an RCA guy, she's a beauty. Also, too bad I'm broke! lol

Is there any other condition BUT "Broke" ?!? I'm glad Harry's listing the set...At THAT price, the fishtank crew are NOT likely to get ahold of it & RUIN it...

Nice...but a little too far out of my price range. :sigh:

Motorola 19CK1B
 

For all that noticed...since I make my living selling vintage TVs, I usually can't afford to 'collect' the TVs...or I'd have loads of TVs and no house :(

For everyone that wondered, I did plug in the TV (briefly), and the vacuum tubes lit, including within the high voltage box, but the CRT did not. The CRT filament is either broken or burnt out, even though the tube appears to have vacuum--no white deposits on the neck, and no deposits that are visible inside the tube.

So, this will be a problem for restoration (unless RACS gets going), but I have to say, even when I sold the RCA prototype a couple years ago, that developmental CRT was working, but recently failed...so it has become an unfortunate reality, that most of these glass-metal early color CRTs might not make it much longer. Harry Poster

Harry, certainly you are entitled to do whatever you wish with the vintage equipment. Some may criticize but it is yours to do with as you wish. At least you have the good sense to find these items and pass them along to those who wish to collect them. I am moving to Florida (four 17' truckloads so far!) and I have come to the realization that I need to "cull the herd". I hope you do well and that the person who purchased the set can enjoy it.

We all have our own ways of doing things.

I sure understand the selling of things for a living. :thmbsp:
I'm probably just still suffering a little from post Santa trauma. Maybe some of you guys from my generation can relate. :D

Any NOS conversion kits for sale? :naughty:

Well, I just wanna say THIS about Harry-I bought my 12" Zenith Porthole from him a couple years back. May have paid a bit more than the going rate, I dunno. Don't matter. The TV I got was pretty darn close to PRISTINE cosmetically, needed very little to make it operational again, & was packaged well enuff to have made the trip to the Moon & back... In other words, I was VERY satisfied w/Harry's service, & would not hesitate to use him again. The TV I got was every bit as good as described,if anything, it was actually BETTER.

Harry, you might try measuring the resistance at the tube base on the filament leads. My working Motorola 19 inch set has had problems with intermittent filament connections, caused by the type of socket they used, I think. Your tube filament might be OK after all.

And I would just like to add that I intended no criticism of Harry. I have purchased several TVs from him, and was pleased with each transaction Harry is probably more responsible than anyone else for saving more TVs and seeing them into the hands of collectors who appreciate them. And it is only reasonable that Harry sell them for whatever the market will bear.

Too bad about the possibly bad CRT, 19VP22s may be harder to find than 15GP22s!

Glad to see that we all seem to feel the same way. Let the market decide the price of course...

I also have the highest regard for Harry. He has always been honest and straightforward with the sets he sells.

I, too, am a satisfied, repeat customer of Harry's! Keep selling 'em, Harry!

If you have no resistance on the filament pins try hitting them (not literally) with some solder. That was a common occurrence.
Phil

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Thanks for the good words from all! In case you can't see it online, I am blushing :yes:

Thanks to Steve and Phil for the suggestions..I will check to be sure the wires are not loose in the CRT socket.

I'll keep you posted, in case of any breakthroughs...

Fingers are crossed! Good luck Harry! I sure hope that 19VP22 still has life in it.

If I had the money, I'd bid in a heartbeat. I saw the smaller version with legs at an antique store when I was about 12, my mom had to drag me outta there. I begged for it "Mom it's only 250 dollars" She rolled her eyes and said "we can't afford that right now". I told her what these are worth now and she about had a heart attack. She says "how did you know these were so special back then" I said, I don't know, it just had that "look" to it. I told her back then it must be one of the first color tvs.

According to the CBS/Hytron datasheet on the 19VP22, the heater rating is 6.3V/1.8A, which to my thinking suggests a parallel connection of 3 x 6.3V/600mA heaters (a common value), rather than 3 x 2.1V sections in series.

With 3 sections in parallel, a completely open heater is much less likely. An oxidized solder joint inside one of the heater pins is the usual culprit when all 3 guns refuse to light. Back in the day, many shops had a special crimping tool to make this type of repair. Lacking one of these, a vacuum desoldering tool to remove the old solder, followed by the careful resoldering of the pins with fresh solder will usually fix things.

The filaments for the 3 guns in all of the roundie color CRTs were in parallel. Not sure about those new-fangled rectangular color CRTs.

The most likely cause of filament failure in this tube is air. When you apply AC to the filaments if the tube is a leaker all three filaments will burn out.

Wow - hang around here and you will always learn something new. The tube in my Zenith coffin measures open on the filaments. I tried reheating and soldering with no effect. However, comparing with the good tube in another console, I noticed tiny crimp marks on the filament pins!

It would be interesting to see what that tool looked like. Did they just crimp the pins, or also heat/solder them?

This is giving me the impetus to retry the soldering on the dead one.

Discussion of CRT pin repairs here, along with a link to an 1960 ad for a pin crimping tool:

http://antiqueradios.com/forums/view...p?f=3&t=155041

With the crimper, there was no need to solder. It just smashed the existing crystallized solder back into contact with the wire, apparently. You could probably do that much with a pair of pliers, but the crimper makes sure that the pin remains round enough to allow the socket to go back on...

At the shop we had better luck soldering the pins. If you look at the end of the pin, most of the time you can see the wire. And most of the time the wire is sticking out jusssssst enough where you can scrape it with a knife to clean it off. Add a little solder and you are good to go.
I figured our crimper didn't work all of the time because it never cleaned/soldered the wire and pin. Just jammed them together.
Phil

A retired TV repairman gave me a box of stuff that included a crimper; I'm glad he told me what it was because I never would have guessed it. I've used it on a tube or two but both proved to be truly dead. One trouble is that once you crimp, the only way to remove the socket would be to cut it off.

Okay so who got the Motorola???

With 3022 purchases mostly of TV, Radio and Automobilia and a 6 second snipe, it must have been one of us.

Time to place your bets.
Phil

Hope one if us got it or someone who will care for it properly.

http://myworld.ebay.com/hepkolabs was the winner. Anyone know who that is?

Yes, I know who he is - he is one of us, but I'd rather have him identify himself

I hope he has luck with that CRT. :yes:

I see hepkolabs bought a 15" Westinghouse set from Harry Poster back in '06.