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egrand 02-17-2014 09:22 PM

50s' Repair Shop Photo
 
I ran across this for sale on ebay and thought I'd post it here. The seller describes it as a Sylvania repair shop, but looks like different brands of sets there and pretty big for a repair shop. Maybe a trade school?

If anyone wants to bid on it, here's the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Phot..._qi=RTM1562572


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Eric H 02-17-2014 09:43 PM

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I saw that, very cool picture, I would guess tech school. ITT has a school in San Antonio so maybe them?

The Photographer was located here, and it's still called the Zwell building: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2118+...=12,125.4,,0,0

Tubejunke 02-17-2014 11:06 PM

Did N.R.I. have a campus or were they strictly correspondence? I know they were big in the early days and generated many a "TV Repaiman." That picture makes me jealous! LOL

earlyfilm 02-18-2014 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by egrand (Post 3096002)
. . . . . The seller describes it as a Sylvania repair shop, but looks like different brands of sets there and pretty big for a repair shop. Maybe a trade school? . . . . . . . .

On the left, a homemade failure-demonstration set, almost surely indicates this is a school.

Other clues to this not being a school and not a working shop:

1) Electrical outlets on the floor for test running the sets, indicate a school, as this surface wiring on a concrete floor would quickly be damaged by moving the heavy cabinets.

2) Most repair shops of that era hung electrical drops from the ceiling for the required cold start test run after repairing.

3) Service benches were not used for most repairs, we simply threw a blanket on top of the set and repaired the chassis on top of the set. If the CRT remained in the cabinet, we used extension cables.

4) This "shop" also has test equipment rack-mounted. This was a carry over from pre-WWII radio repair. Most TV period shops that I've seen carried the test equipment to the TV set on wheeled carts.

5) There are too many repairmen for the number of sets in the shop.

6) The work benches have rabbit ears on top, while the sets in the testing line do not, which not only indicates not a working shop, but a posed-for-photograph picture.

The weirdest thing I see in this photograph is the three lamp florescent fixtures! All florescent ceiling lamps that I've ever seen operated the bulbs in pairs. These fixtures have three lamps and three, easy to get to, replaceable starters on the side.

Jas.

Username1 02-18-2014 07:32 AM

A lot of strange stuff in that picture.... For one thing it looks like none of the tv's have a picture on them.... The use of rabbit ears is normal... Our shop had good tv reception, as did the town, and we fielded lots of reception problems, and a lot, a lot of calls where people complained about the picture with cable. I even replaced 2 sets from Panasinic because the customer complained the picture had snow on cable, snow remained after replacement. We often had to show customers how their repaired set looked on a rabbit ears because they did not have cable, or roof antenna, and they were often suspiceous if the set looked "too good" when we were done with it at the shop. Other shops in the area did the same.....

It does have a school look, but the shop design was by the owners thoughts as to what was the best layout. One guy I knew and a lot of area shops just had one bench and other sets scattered all over the place. The shop I started in had a two sided 60 foot long bench and tech benches on both sides, a test tube for working on console chassies. If they brought the floor model in, it just sat on the floor next to the bench, test equipment sat on the bench, and reached the set on the floor. We also used florescent lights, even though they were noisy.... That thing in the air next to the pole was most likely a set standard, a known good tv, we had one too and if a customer had specific reception problems we could no reproduce, we showed them their set next to the control set, in some cases with one set of rabbit ears per set, right next to one another.... as close as possible...

That table to the left sure looks like a school quality table....

I can't say anything about those monster test things back in the back, I didn't have them in my school, and nothing in shops I have been in...

The first guy I worked for was pretty good to go to all that trouble to set stuff up to show customers how some of the reception issues were not their sets faults....

There was a lot of stuff he did and did not charge for, not something you see today..... He was the areas biggest shop, and certainly not the place I thought I would have had my first job out of school....

Phil Nelson 02-18-2014 11:10 AM

Like all (and I mean ALL) publicity photos, this one was obviously staged. You can just hear the photographer's voice:

"Okay, shove everything down to that end of the room. Nobody will wonder why there's a huge empty space in my end of the room that's used for nothing. No, leave everything turned off; nobody could see what's on the screen, anyway. Now, everybody crouch down in exactly the places I showed you and then pretend like you're doing something. Make sure we can see your face, but look at the equipment, not at me. That way, it looks like you're doing something, even though the equipment is all turned off. Okay, hold it . . . ."

Phil Nelson

CaryLee 02-18-2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil Nelson (Post 3096026)
Like all (and I mean ALL) publicity photos, this one was obviously staged. You can just hear the photographer's voice:

"Okay, shove everything down to that end of the room. Nobody will wonder why there's a huge empty space in my end of the room that's used for nothing. No, leave everything turned off; nobody could see what's on the screen, anyway. Now, everybody crouch down in exactly the places I showed you and then pretend like you're doing something. Make sure we can see your face, but look at the equipment, not at me. That way, it looks like you're doing something, even though the equipment is all turned off. Okay, hold it . . . ."

Phil Nelson

Exactly along the lines of what I was thinking. I really get a kick out of the fellow that has his head stuck underneath the one set on the far right. Makes me wonder if his "day job" was at an auto repair shop. And everyone turning knobs on shut off equipment gets me grinning. I wouldn't be surprised if that photo appeared in a sales brochure or magazine ad somewhere. It is a great photo, though. A very nice shop.

CaryLee 02-18-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by earlyfilm (Post 3096012)
On the left, a homemade failure-demonstration set, almost surely indicates this is a school.

Other clues to this not being a school and not a working shop:

1) Electrical outlets on the floor for test running the sets, indicate a school, as this surface wiring on a concrete floor would quickly be damaged by moving the heavy cabinets.

2) Most repair shops of that era hung electrical drops from the ceiling for the required cold start test run after repairing.

3) Service benches were not used for most repairs, we simply threw a blanket on top of the set and repaired the chassis on top of the set. If the CRT remained in the cabinet, we used extension cables.

4) This "shop" also has test equipment rack-mounted. This was a carry over from pre-WWII radio repair. Most TV period shops that I've seen carried the test equipment to the TV set on wheeled carts.

5) There are too many repairmen for the number of sets in the shop.

6) The work benches have rabbit ears on top, while the sets in the testing line do not, which not only indicates not a working shop, but a posed-for-photograph picture.

The weirdest thing I see in this photograph is the three lamp florescent fixtures! All florescent ceiling lamps that I've ever seen operated the bulbs in pairs. These fixtures have three lamps and three, easy to get to, replaceable starters on the side.

Jas.

I kind of dig those three tube fluorescents. I worked as a residential and light commercial electrician in the mid to late 80's and early 90's, in some pretty old commercial buildings, but I don't recall ever seeing one of those.

peter scott 02-18-2014 12:24 PM

Do you think the roundy on the left is a demo colour set with all the convergence controls conveniently on the front?

Peter

Kevin Kuehn 02-18-2014 01:23 PM

Maybe an employee training area at some manufacture.

old_tv_nut 02-18-2014 01:32 PM

If i get it, I'll see if any more details can be read - the slanted panels in the back look like school demos, but I can't read the labels at the top.

WISCOJIM 02-18-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by old_tv_nut (Post 3096044)
If i get it, I'll see if any more details can be read - the slanted panels in the back look like school demos, but I can't read the labels at the top.

sylvania

Eric H 02-18-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by peter scott (Post 3096036)
Do you think the roundy on the left is a demo colour set with all the convergence controls conveniently on the front?

Peter

Tube is much too small to be color, looks like a 12" B&W to me.

All the sets I can see in the photo predate color and there aren't even any 21" B&W sets that became the standard around 1953, so I would place this around 1950-52

egrand 02-18-2014 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by old_tv_nut (Post 3096044)
If i get it, I'll see if any more details can be read - the slanted panels in the back look like school demos, but I can't read the labels at the top.

If you get it maybe you can ask the seller if they have others. If it was a professional or publicity photo they probably had several pictures made around the building.

I noticed all the guys (except one) have their shirts tucked in and hair combed, so they prepared for this photo. Also, even back then I'm not sure how many guys would wear a white shirt to a job like that.

Reece 02-18-2014 07:02 PM

Up on a shelf over the roundie on the left it looks like a refrigeration compressor and condenser? all connected by tubing with a mysterious box on the other side of the partition. Wonder what that was for.

Boobtubeman 02-18-2014 09:18 PM

HEY! let's all get together and pile up some stuff and re-create the photo :D

This pic sends me back to High school electron class.. we had tables and NEWER equipment, some of the old tvs though, It kills me they discontinued and tossed all that stuff and NOS surplus stuff after 1984...

SR

ohohyodafarted 02-19-2014 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece (Post 3096074)
Up on a shelf over the roundie on the left it looks like a refrigeration compressor and condenser? all connected by tubing with a mysterious box on the other side of the partition. Wonder what that was for.

I suspect it is a water cooled air conditioner. Compressor and water cooled heat exchanger on the left and evaporator box is on the right. Most trade and techinal schools also had a referigeration school. The unit looks custom made probably cobbled together by the students of the referigeration devision.

Reece 02-19-2014 02:39 PM

If it's an air conditioner it looks like the condenser on the left is air cooled and so it would be for demonstration of the theory only, with condenser and evaporator in the same room. But it's really hard to tell!

ChrisW6ATV 02-23-2014 12:04 PM

I do see that the two bench test consoles on the right are labeled "Sylvania", so there is some type of brand-specific activity going on. That one roll-around unit with all kinds of test instruments on it is pretty impressive.

old_tv_nut 02-27-2014 06:16 PM

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Username1 02-27-2014 06:35 PM

Cool..... Home Grown A/C ! ! !

I think I saw a picture on one of the Oscilloscopes ! ! !

I like the guy leaning on the table in the auto repair coveralls lookin like he's too cool to be there ! ! !

And I guess that guy on the floor is adjusting something on that combo's turn table....

Bill Cahill 02-27-2014 06:38 PM

Neat pictures. Thanks... I enjoy seeing that type of stuff.......
Bill Cahill

marty59 02-27-2014 10:03 PM

I really like the detail in the blow up. I wonder why not one set has any kind of video displaying?? :scratch2:

ohohyodafarted 02-27-2014 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reece (Post 3096149)
If it's an air conditioner it looks like the condenser on the left is air cooled and so it would be for demonstration of the theory only, with condenser and evaporator in the same room. But it's really hard to tell!

Take another look. You will see a water pipe comming out of the ceiling connectd to a copper line that runs to unit on the right. There is also what looks like a copper drain line running from that unit down the steel I beam column. I cant quite understand how it is configured, but it appears that the unit on right is possibly a water cooled condenser. That would leave the open coil on the left to possibly an evaportor coil.

On the other hand maybe the rig is actually a dehumdifier. But with a connection to the water pipe, it suggests an air conditioner.

kramden66 02-28-2014 11:59 AM

those benches that have the Sylvania logo are specifically for Sylvania products and if you were to work on anything else on those tables like rca , Dumont , etc you would be sent to the guillotine

Steve D. 02-28-2014 12:02 PM

Ha Ha! For a moment I thought the full door console in the blowup was a CBS 12CC2 field sequential color set. Cabinet is very similar.

-Steve D.


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