I vote for keeping Canadian TVs in the other forums
 

Does Canada count as international? If so most of my posts should
Move here... However they're so similar to US models I think it wouldn't be productive to move them. I vote to keep the Canadian TVs with the American ones in the original forums.

Absolutely right. I changed the forum description to "outside North America" :)

But in either event, you're welcome to post Canadian TVs wherever you wish. We're pretty loose with the structuring. The whole reason I created the forum was because I ran into an influx of Australian TV collectors on Facebook :)

There are a few ways of looking at international tv's. By nationality where they are used,
by company name, and by broadcast system. There are a few countries that used NTSC
just like here, and I find exploring the sets that use our system, but not sold in our
market to be very interesting.... I find it interesting for example, that Robb finds many
boom boxes at yard sales with short wave bands, and these are Panasonics, and Sanyo's
just like we may have had here, but made specifically for the Canada Market, or other
non US markets as well...

Canada didn't have many of its own brands, i.e. Electrohome sets were re-badged Mitsubishis for a while. No idea what the Viking sets were based on, it was an Eaton's house brand.

Sets Made in Canada and not sold in USA? Sure there were a few

Electrohome
Rogers
Rogers/Majestic and later made in Canada Philips sets.
Eaton Viking (house brand at Eatons)
Marconi
Baycrest (house brand at the Bay)
RCA Victor (early ones made in Montreal, not the same as the US models)
Transonic (house brand at Woodwards)
Clairtone
Fleetwood (made in Montreal, I have a Fleetwood made Silvertone branded CTC-16 knock off)

Electrohome were not Mitsubishi until well into the 80s, they had lots of unique to Canada products.

I am sure I am missing lots here, not to mention the big names like Admiral, GE, Westinghouse etc who had Canadian subsidiaries which made TVs and radios paralleling the US models with subtle differences. Quite often when I see an old TV "in the wild" it is not a model which also sold in the USA, especially if it's from before 1970.

Despite that Canada had unique products I just think that the Made in Canada sets are not any different from mainstream US products than, say, Packard Bell in California is different from RCA in New Jersey. They're built to more or less the same standard as American TVs, (aside from 25Hz transformers in really early 50s stuff built for Ontario).and I would rather have access to the NTSC TV repair experts in the main forums, than post in a separate forum where PAL and other systems dominate.

I've seen pictures of Fairbanks-Morse TV's sold in Canada. They looked the same as the U.S. built, Admirals. Bakelite 21" table model sets and others.
The only consumer, Fairbanks-Morse products, sold in the U.S. were radios and refrigerators, before 1940. Other F-M products, known here were Diesel engines, pumps, locomotives and large electric motors and generators.
I've seen a few Eaton's mid 60's portable 19" sets. The chassis looked like Canadian Admirals.
They were badged "Royalmont". The labeling on the bottom, stated "Eatons" of Canada.

I've got to keep a lookout for those sets. As for Electrohome, I had forgotten that the company had been around a long time before Mitsubishi started making their TVs in 1984.

Speaking of Eaton's labels, here's the label behind my dryer door:

Is the machine made in USA or Canada?
I see it's rated for 208 volts, Y network power, used in large apartment complexes. At 208 volts, the heating element produces less heat and the drying process, takes a little longer. :boring:

Keeping US- Canadian together is best.
Many sets go back & fourth across the boarder. The ones that dont
are near identical. In Mass. Vikings ( Admirals) were often seen
& quite a few real Electrohomes. Even fixed an Electrohome built
console stereo once. If you see an Advent Video Beam set it
either has a Sylvania or Electrohome chassis. The Electrohome
built sets are as good as any middle tier US set & near an RCA
or Zenith. IMHO all you Canadian cats should have one in your
collections.

73 Zeno:smoke:

Thank you for the base Kamakiri :)

I don't want to argue with a free forum, but I think there are too many "specialty" boards as it is.

I like seeing stuff from the rest of the world, but if I hadn't noticed this sub-board today I would have missed it (I almost never log on from an actual computer, just use bookmarks on my phone).

Australians were already held back from color development because of kangaroos sensitivity to high-voltage "whine"; we shouldn't isolate them in some foreign-tv backwater :tears:

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Things do get a tad confusing when sets from outside North America do come up, and having another sub-board isn't going to use up any more server space, so it can't hurt really. At least those who are interested in sets from other parts of the world will know where to look for any info we might have.
I don't know. It's not a coin-op machine, so it isn't for apartment complexes.

What's ironic is I just picked up a Canadian Marconi table top tv from 1953 which is loaded full of made in England parts... It came up just as I got the predicta for really cheap, it's amazing how primitive it is compared to the predicta

My Magnavox Star System/Touch Tune remotes were made in Germany, go figure.

Some nicer apt. complexes have laundry closets (ie a closet with a non-coin-op washer and dryer, and sometimes the waterheater inside) in each apartment...I should know I've lived in one or two in the past.

Canada rules ! :yes:

Lots of apartments and for that matter condos have 208 volt services, the dual rating makes sense. Usually the motor operates off 120 in a dryer so it gets full voltage either way and you just get a bit less heat output.

That makes sense. I've only ever lived in buildings with shared facilities (or in one case, no facilities at all, yuck). Mine was curbed outside of a large low-rise apartment complex, I assumed it was just a tenant carry-in.

A few Rogers sets made it across the border in the 60s, I remember some old folks in Buffalo with one.

I feel two exceptional makes for TVs in the 50's in Canada were Sparton in London Ontario and Dumont sets manufactured by Canadian Avionics. Sets made by these companies were manufactured into the 60's with the superior point-to-point wiring. I once had a Canadian Sparton portable TV, the construction of which was amazingly good.

I didn't know that Sparton was a Canadian make. I'd get that '58 console that's available locally but chances are the owner wants a lot more than I could afford. She's holding out for higher offers.

My fleetwood was also full of "Hunts" brand capacitors which also came from there.

As an interesting tidbit, there was also some talk a while back about Fleetwood re-badging and selling Grundig sets from across the pond.

If you had a place that had 3 phase 240V "power and light" (the "light" means the usual grounded centertapped 240V power, and "power" is a "wild leg" 2nd phase 240V connected to one of the legs of the "light", creates a delta pattern 240V. the wild leg to ground measures 208V. You could connect the 240V heater element across that 2nd phase 240V, and the 115V motor connects between the neutral (ground) and the "light" 115V line. Also any 115V electromechanical timers as well.

There's single family houses in my town that are fed this 240V delta pattern "power and light". Dating back to the late 50's, when central air was a rare luxury. They must have used industrial HVAC units, thus requiring the "power and light" connections. Electrical code doesn't allow anything above 125V to ground in a house anymore, these places must be grandfathered.

Sparton was a Canadian brand electronics co. Not connected w/Sparton U.S.A.

http://www.tvhistory.tv/1956-Sparton-brochure.JPG

-Steve D.

Learn something new every day - thank you. I have absolutely never seen this system employed here in western Canada, but everything here is quite new compared with what's out east. I would love to have three phase power at home!

Phillips produced two horrible ugly Holland made NTSC chassis K6 and K7 that were real K9s on the bench, When working would have stunning color depth like non other. Were these sets sold in the US market as they were Canada? Looking for a K6 or K7 (Had a few of these sets, Wish i would have kept one)

Yeah, why wouldn't GIANT Philips NV market its "world TV" (K series) in world's largest market, USA?
Especially after making an NTSC version for Canada?
And after buying Sylvania & Magnavox to break into USA market?
Something seems to have gone very wrong after they paid up for Sylvania & Magnavox: Was it the dumping of TVs into the non-tariff-protected US from Japan that made Philips' US operation run in the red? Certainly no place to try and sell their deluxe K-series when people are shopping price in a "buyers'-market".

Seems Philips engineered a cheaper single-board chassis in their non-union? Tennessee plant. I bought one of these TVs, the power supply blew up - a common problem it turned out. Looking at schematic and a Motorola application manual I had handy, I was stunned to see the switch-mode power supply was identical to the suggested circuit in the Motorola book:eek:

Am I completely right in assuming thatt Canada used US standards precisely? No changes at all?

I believe that was the case for broadcasters. However I believe they adopted it slower than in the us...Especially receiver standards. For instance they adopted color later, mandated all receivers have UHF later etc.

They also have the same spectral channel assignments, so US TV set will work there. Canada very compliant to US hegemony - and they are rewarded for it (NORAD contracts:thmbsp:)

Sparton Canada was connected with Sparton USA.

Sparton Canada was a wholly owned subsidiary in 1930 of the Sparks Withington Company of Jackson Michigan.