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dtvmcdonald 10-10-2014 02:27 PM

Program material for demos?
 
This is somewhat off-topic here, but clearly this is the place for answers.

I'm looking for old material to display on my CT100.

I want the earliest color videotape material I can find on DVD. I have
not been able to find on Amazon much if any early material.

I tried getting a collection of old Johnny Carson stuff 'cause it was
cheap and I knew ithe show was color from at least 1964. Unfortunately all
the really old material was B&W kinescopes. The earliest color
material was from about 1968 or 1969 and looked as expected
for that time period, on my big screen TV via HDMI. I never
found a good +Q -Q transition but his curtain has a nice +I -I one which
looked great.

SUGGESTIONS?

MIPS 10-10-2014 04:25 PM

The wizard of OZ? :dunno:

stromberg67 10-10-2014 04:27 PM

Warner Brothers cartoons look good on CT-100s. Other Technicolor movies, too.

Eric H 10-10-2014 05:42 PM

Are you only looking for material that would have originally been shown on Television?

Otherwise (and already suggested) there's tons of restored Technicolor films from the 30's & 40's on Bluray, Wizard of Oz, Robin Hood, Meet me in St Louis...

Many of them would have been shown on TV too at some point in time.

I would also suggest the Walt Disney's Treasures series of DVD's.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...t+%2Cmovies-tv

Phil Nelson 10-10-2014 05:55 PM

Early color videotape material is hard to come by, for reasons alluded to in this thread from a couple of years ago:

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=256599

The taped snippet from that Dinah Shore dates from 1958 and they call it the third oldest color videotape in existence.

If you want to show off your CT-100, Technicolor movies are a good bet, as mentioned.

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html

Dave A 10-10-2014 07:12 PM

There are some Tennessee Ernie Ford shows available on DVD. Pretty low rez though. And the Dean Martin Show series are great on DVD. Close enough to the day that a CT-100 could have been watching them somewhere.

dtvmcdonald 10-10-2014 07:27 PM

I'm not trying to show off my CT-100 ... modern material does that
just fine, especially live football.

I'm trying to show what one would have looked like back then.
That includes the "look" of the contemporary cameras.

The other possibility, which should some day of course be
reality, is getting an old complete color camera chain
working properly and recording the NTSC on a modern
digital recorder.

That Dinah Shore show would be perfect.

rca2000 10-10-2014 07:47 PM

IMHO-vintage programing for our vintage set may make them look "correct".

BUT---I sometimes prefer the "back to the future" approach.. meaning--showing MODERN programming on our sets--especially stuff that has a web address on it or such, like a shopping channel or such. It gives these sets a 'surreal" look, talking about the net/showing a website or address...on a set that was made LONG before the web was a DREAM !!

old_tv_nut 10-10-2014 09:27 PM

You are looking for stuff shot with TK-41s, with typical noise, gamma correction limitations, and all, I take it. Dean Martin - decent video for the time; Bell Telephone Hour (some really bad looking stuff for noise there); Peter Pan with Mary Martin; The last Howdy Doody show.

I would mention Bonanza, but it's not clear if any prime time film programs were taped from the early telecines and then passed down to DVD. More likely the film was rescanned with more modern gear, I think.

All of these may have had some noise reduction processing and various other tweaks including some color correction before coding to DVD - can't escape it.

jsowers 10-10-2014 11:37 PM

How about the second oldest program recorded on color videotape, An Evening With Fred Astaire? It's from 10-17-58 and may even have the commercials for the new 1959 Chrysler cars on it. I love the opening with announcer Art Gilmore--the best announcer ever. This site has it for sale for $21, but I can't vouch for the quality of the picture because I've only seen bits posted on YouTube. So look that up and see if it suits your needs.

http://www.thefilmcsa.com/an-evening...v-special.html

There are other good color shows on this site too. Hollywood Palace shows would be good. They have lots of TV specials from the 1950s and 60s.

I've only ordered one thing from this site and it came quickly and was on unlabeled DVD-Rs that look home recorded, with a printed-out list of all the shows. I didn't get any color shows, just B&W variety shows. The picture quality is so-so and all mine were originally on film and many of them suffer from poor dubbing to tape. So buy at your own risk.

Someone mentioned The Telephone Hour. There's a great DVD of color Christmas shows from The Bell Telephone Hour. I think they put together three shows from 1959-63. Some of the singing is on the operatic side and some is more popular type music. Florence Henderson is the host for most of it.

http://www.amazon.com/An-Old-Fashion.../dp/B002TZS59C

Another early color show I saw recently was on Public TV. They showed a great excerpt of the Glenn Miller Orchestra with Tex Beneke and the Modernaires, with Ray Eberle. It was in color, from about 1962. They performed many of their hits. The performance was great and the video quality was very good, but you could tell it was early videotape. If your public TV station has a Big Band show with Peter Marshall on, that's it. It's about 20 minutes long, the part I just mentioned. I have it on DVR if you want to PM me.

kramden66 10-11-2014 11:05 AM

The Adventures of Superman , not video tape but one of the earliest perhaps first show to be done in color for tv but i hear the color ones didn't air in color until 1966 .
the lone ranger too was shot in color at one point but as mentioned for videotape An Evening with Fred Astaire , the whole thing is / was on youtube , a vk member was nice and gave me a dowload of it off youtube and i put it on a dvd , quality is not great due to lower bit rate loaded to you tube but unless one can access the original tape then it would look a lot better.
theres also that Burns and Allen episode shot in color.
what one would have seen when that ct 100 came out would have been black and white programs.
mike

Dave A 10-13-2014 08:01 PM

Here is Burns and Allen in color...faded color.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN7y4Sj9loI

The Astaire show is dodgy. It was fully recovered but not released by the estate in that form...unless something has happened recently. The version floating out there (which I have) is reportedly a copy of a VHS version of the show given out at a corporate function. It is fun to watch but not up to the original nor a good example of what a CT-100 could do.

Steve D. 10-13-2014 10:28 PM

President Eisenhower 1958 dedication of WRC-TV's new color studios in Washington D.C.
Starts in B&W and at the push of a switch goes to wonderful RCA/NBC compatible color.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKqHZcXvUAs

-Steve D.

mpatoray 10-14-2014 07:40 AM

Its a bit later, but maybe people where still using CT-100's in 1968-69 (moved to the kids room by then). Music Scene was shot at ABC on Philips cameras and looks really good, I have 2 episodes form 69 with bonus material on LaserDisc. It is available on Amazon but is a tad pricey. PM Me if you are interested in an episode.
http://www.amazon.com/Music-Scene-Th.../dp/0788602136

And speaking of the 60's How about Laugh In?

And for 50's there is a copy of Jerry lewis in The jazz Singer, which was shot at NBC Brooklyn in 1959 I believe.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/54293...e-jazz-singer/

IsthmusTV 10-14-2014 09:22 AM

Here are some Betty White commercials from 1959, dubbed from the original 2" master. They are from the Milton Berle show. I would love to see the full episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBopQqi8J_M

sweitzel 10-14-2014 01:54 PM

I still have the Fred Astaire show pulled from youtube and converted to both a DVD image file suitable for download and burning, or a smaller WMV file for download. As others have said, it's not the greatest resolution but watchable.

I also have the original full resolution complete WRC dedication available in DVD compatible MPEG2 suitable for burning as well. It's much longer (30 minutes) and higher resolution than what is available on youtube.

Fred Astaire is either a 3gb ISO file, or an 800mb .WMV
WRC Dedication is a 1.3GB .MPG file.

Send me a PM for download links.

mpatoray 10-14-2014 02:56 PM

The WRC dedication is some amazing footage. It was shot in Washington DC, then sent all the way to Burbank to be recorded on a then still quite experimental color modulator on a VTR. The master shot TK-41 is tweaked to give the absolute best picture possible, after all the president is going to be shown for the first time on COLOR TV. The audio is also full bandwidth not the normal "Network audio" sound that was generally assigned to audio sent by the AT&T LongLines network.

zenith2134 10-14-2014 09:04 PM

I have got every U.S. Presidential inaugural speech from Kennedy to Bush Sr. on DVD..burned from youtube. It is surprising how good a basic youtube downloader can work when creating DVD footage of old material. It really comes down to the quality of the original upload. I routinely view old political and military footage on my old TVs.

old_tv_nut 02-19-2022 09:50 AM

Here's a suggestion that takes an opposite tack from the OP, that is, to give a historical oversight rather than look only for the ultimate NTSC quality:

I recently bought a collection of Johnny Carson highlights; not sure if it's the same one the OP mentioned:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B000068W...roduct_details

Disclaimer: I have only watched the first disc so far.

The first clips are early black and white and kinescopes, and then they progress into color, with the quality improving as you go. (There is one color clip that looks to me like a color kine.) The constant plus to all of this is that the shot framing from back then is cautious so that everything important fits in the roundy screen, but is usually as close as possible within that constraint to squeeze the most out of NTSC's limited resolution.

I think this makes for an excellent quick demo to non-collectors and younger folk of what TV could look like in the days of the roundies, good and not so good, as you skip through the years.


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