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Dude111 01-01-2015 04:55 AM

I was doing some searching and found this article which I think is disgusting in a way,this comes from a MAINSTREAM newspaper I think...

http://www.timesunion.com/business/a...Vs-5986626.php


These quotes really make me sad

Quote:

He said there are likely another "five to eight years' worth" of CRTs still in consumers's hands and "that is a lot of tubes." The stewardship council started issuing written warnings to DEC about the CRT glut in mid-2013.
Yea and the ppl that have these KNOW EXACTLY HOW LUCKY WE ARE!!

Quote:

Stockpiles of valueless CRTs also turned up in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Denver and in Arizona. Because of the lead, federal law classifies the tubes as hazardous waste
VALUELESS??

Nothing nicer than a CRT and mainstream articles like this trying to make this older stuff LOOK BAD really makes me sick!!!!


WHY DONT THEY DONATE THEM ALL TO SALVATION ARMY????? -- PLENTY OF PPL WHO LOVE THEM AND STILL WANT THEM!!!!!! (Im sure alot they get WORK w/o issues)

Kamakiri 01-01-2015 08:45 AM

Problem is, who wants say a circa 1996 Emerson 32" BPC set? I'd wager nobody.....

Username1 01-01-2015 09:00 AM

Small minded individuals, you should not give them any attention, and not increase
their readership.....

The lead in tubes poses no threat to anyone.... Until the tube is collected, put in a container
shipped to a third world nation, and busted, burned for it's metals, and left to be crushed
into small enough pieces to make it's way into food, and water systems....

And there is more than enough evidence to show that that is exactly what the recycling
of old tv's actually is....

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rca2000 01-01-2015 12:53 PM

I have realized this for some time now...


TIME is running OUT for this hobby !! Every year....our 'treasures" dissapear FOREVER...a bit more. It will not be too long when it will be nearly IMPOSSIBLE_-and likely ILLEGAL--to collect an old tv set...

Username1 01-01-2015 01:05 PM

Yah....... It'll be illegal... That's one to worry about...

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Jon A. 01-01-2015 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 3122453)
WHY DONT THEY DONATE THEM ALL TO SALVATION ARMY????? -- PLENTY OF PPL WHO LOVE THEM AND STILL WANT THEM!!!!!! (Im sure alot they get WORK w/o issues)

The Starvation Army would dump them in no time flat, BPC or vintage.

I seriously doubt that possessing old TVs would become illegal. Enforcing a law like that might just be enough of a waste of taxpayer money to cause a huge public outcry. Also, I think even the hipsters are fascinated by the more weird looking ones, and what they want, they get.

Telecolor 3007 01-01-2015 04:18 PM

I hope hipsters in Romania will start to like C.R.T. tvs too!
Now, here is a really big waste of good things. I guess unleass one quarter of those sets from the filming where in good condition and could be given too poor people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJlhQa3cMBs ... and, shees I think there was an '80's "Sony" Trinitron tv there (the silver one with a glass in front of the screen). Well, but it was in Arad, not in Bucharest.
Marea debarasare = The great rid off. A good way to make people to throw away valuble things (I've seen '50-'60 radios beeing dumped) or that could be easy repaird (not to the mention about all working stuff that had been dumped) and to make them buy new trash.
I managed to save some stuff from a collecting center. No tv unfortenley. The good side of coruption.

centralradio 01-01-2015 04:22 PM

They mind as will lock me up with 300 plus counts of possession of CRT sets.
We live in a corrupt gullible era that the public is stupid and believe all the media BS thats out there.

They showed it when DTV hit the airwaves and believe the BS the feds and the media said that digital TV is better then analog and need the channel bandwidth for emergency response radio.

DTV is crap and the corrupt telecommunication corps got they want.

Sorry about the rant.

I now have a JVC 32 inch set in back of my car waiting to get moved into my house once I make a space for it.

Jon A. 01-01-2015 05:02 PM

Even though the 1989 GE I was given is not something I would normally go after, it stays. I even sourced an OEM remote for it. No more scrapping of good TVs for me.

I consider almost any electronic item I buy to be a long-term investment. I save for quality rather than buying something cheap that will soon need to be replaced.

Electronic M 01-01-2015 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon A. (Post 3122493)
The Starvation Army would dump them in no time flat, BPC or vintage.

I seriously doubt that possessing old TVs would become illegal. Enforcing a law like that might just be enough of a waste of taxpayer money to cause a huge public outcry. Also, I think even the hipsters are fascinated by the more weird looking ones, and what they want, they get.

Before the local SA closed they offered BPC CRT sets, and I even once bought a 1952 Philco split chassis set from them.

rca2000 01-01-2015 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Username1 (Post 3122468)
Small minded individuals, you should not give them any attention, and not increase
their readership.....

The lead in tubes poses no threat to anyone.... Until the tube is collected, put in a container
shipped to a third world nation, and busted, burned for it's metals, and left to be crushed
into small enough pieces to make it's way into food, and water systems....

And there is more than enough evidence to show that that is exactly what the recycling
of old tv's actually is....

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I could go on for HOURS...about what you just said...i KNOW it is true--to some degree.

Years ago--I was with that guy I worked with on tv's maybe 6-8 years back. I was on a house call. The garbage truck was coming around picking up RECYCLABLES. You would expect a recycling truck--to pick up things seperate--but NO. I was a NORMAL PACKER TRUCK--and the guy tossed EVERYTHING into it , normal garbage and recyclables and packed it all into the truck !! This was rumpke_--supposed to be "green" and the just tossed it ALL in together!! So--WHY even BOTHER to seperate--if it ALL goes int the SAME truck ???

I do not really want to go off onto a rant--but for the most part....the ENTIRE "green" agenda...it about JUST THAT...GREEN--as in the type in WALLETS !!

Electronic M 01-01-2015 06:43 PM

Yeah I know of some schools that make a big deal of separating recyclables only to dump it all into the same garbage hopper....You are right about it being 'monitory green'. The old reds are the new greens, and they have found some ingeniously devious ways to indirectly get their way.

Dude111 01-01-2015 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Username1
Small minded individuals, you should not give them any attention, and not increase their readership.....

Ya your absolutely right!!!!!

This is why I usually do not read mainstream papers,i cannot stand seeing garbage like this!

Sandy G 01-01-2015 07:44 PM

Well, lessee now... I have ALL SORTS of interests that go AGAINST the grain of what is "Socially Responsible"... I drive one of the WORST gas hogs on the hiway-A V-10 4X4 Excursion, I have OVER 100 Guns of all various shapes, sizes, & calibres, including a LEGAL full-auto Uzi, I have a HOUSEFUL of ancient radios & TVs that have God only knows WHAT kinds of Noxious Pollutants THEY have, & I kicked at a Puppy here the other day.. Not only THAT, but I ALSO tore off the "Do NOT Remove This Tag" from my Mattress...

user181 01-01-2015 09:32 PM

Pardon my newbie question, but what does BPC stand for?

David Roper 01-01-2015 09:49 PM

Black Plastic Crap

Username1 01-01-2015 09:54 PM

Fine Black Plastic Crafted Designer Table Top Cabinet.....

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Jon A. 01-01-2015 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3122507)
Before the local SA closed they offered BPC CRT sets, and I even once bought a 1952 Philco split chassis set from them.

Depends on the district I guess. The head honcho for this province was planning to try to persuade fearless leader to ban TV donations.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3122510)
Yeah I know of some schools that make a big deal of separating recyclables only to dump it all into the same garbage hopper....You are right about it being 'monitory green'. The old reds are the new greens, and they have found some ingeniously devious ways to indirectly get their way.

Someone ought to film this happening and put it on YouTube. I'm sure it would go viral.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 3122513)
Well, lessee now... I have ALL SORTS of interests that go AGAINST the grain of what is "Socially Responsible"... I drive one of the WORST gas hogs on the hiway-A V-10 4X4 Excursion, I have OVER 100 Guns of all various shapes, sizes, & calibres, including a LEGAL full-auto Uzi, I have a HOUSEFUL of ancient radios & TVs that have God only knows WHAT kinds of Noxious Pollutants THEY have, & I kicked at a Puppy here the other day.. Not only THAT, but I ALSO tore off the "Do NOT Remove This Tag" from my Mattress...

You and I ought to get together and go bowling.

Dude111 01-02-2015 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy G
Well, lessee now... I have ALL SORTS of interests that go AGAINST the grain of what is "Socially Responsible"... I drive one of the WORST gas hogs on the hiway-A V-10 4X4 Excursion, I have OVER 100 Guns of all various shapes, sizes, & calibres, including a LEGAL full-auto Uzi, I have a HOUSEFUL of ancient radios & TVs that have God only knows WHAT kinds of Noxious Pollutants THEY have, & I kicked at a Puppy here the other day.. Not only THAT, but I ALSO tore off the "Do NOT Remove This Tag" from my Mattress...

Excellent Sandy!!

Marco-nix 01-02-2015 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamakiri (Post 3122466)
Problem is, who wants say a circa 1996 Emerson 32" BPC set? I'd wager nobody.....



No problem for me Kamakiri,, I have a 2006 Toshiba with a flat CRT and I love it..oups, it's a 32' and I have a Zenith 1971 CRT 25' that I want to restore...And i'm looking for a some schematics for my zenith...

colectorad 01-02-2015 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 3122453)
WHY DONT THEY DONATE THEM ALL TO SALVATION ARMY????? -- PLENTY OF PPL WHO LOVE THEM AND STILL WANT THEM!!!!!! (Im sure alot they get WORK w/o issues)

My local Salvation Army used to accept CRTs. They had one side of an isle filled with mostly post-'90 sets. Months would go by with only a handful selling through in the 10 to 20 dollar range. The congestion eventually got to them and they taped a big piece of paper on their donation door that had "NO CRTs!!" scribbled on it in a juvenile fashion. Only portables below 10 inches in size are stocked these days.

Most people in my area, looking to get rid of theirs CRT(s), place them by the curb with a "free" sign. Over this past summer, I saw at least 8 curbside CRTs within walking distance.

It saddens me that there aren't any electronics-exclusive thrift stores (at least in my area). It would be a good way to keep this stuff out of the rain & perhaps even re-purpose items properly.

Kamakiri 01-02-2015 07:47 AM

Well sure, but would you want 20 or 30 of them? That's the problem.

And it's not just DTV that caused the issue and changeover either. It's that everything is going to HDMI cables.

My 15 year old son needs a setup with HDMI cables for his PS3. I've had it hooked up to standard sets before using an RF converter and a 3 RCA cable setup, but the problem is that some of the game systems don't automatically go to that input, even if the same port on the game system is used. It has to be plugged in to an HDMI port set, then you enter setup, and change the output configuration on the console for it to work.

Since his game system goes back and forth between his mom's house and here, it's far too much of a PITA to do. And with the games he plays, he really needs the widescreen format.

The Sony DLP set in his bedroom has had a weak light engine for the last year (light green blob on the screen), and now there's something wrong with the HDMI port, so I have to pick up a 32" flat screen for him when I get the spare cash.

colectorad 01-02-2015 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamakiri (Post 3122539)
And it's not just DTV that caused the issue and changeover either. It's that everything is going to HDMI cables.

My 15 year old son needs a setup with HDMI cables for his PS3. I've had it hooked up to standard sets before using an RF converter and a 3 RCA cable setup, but the problem is that some of the game systems don't automatically go to that input, even if the same port on the game system is used. It has to be plugged in to an HDMI port set, then you enter setup, and change the output configuration on the console for it to work.

Since his game system goes back and forth between his mom's house and here, it's far too much of a PITA to do. And with the games he plays, he really needs the widescreen format.

Problem diminished!

Kamakiri 01-02-2015 08:13 AM

Well yeah, that'd work, but since they are both into vintage electronics like their dad, there'd be nothing worse as a deal killer to that budding interest than saddling him with a BPC.

The same 15 year old is doing a restoration on an RCA SHF-3 tube stereo and just sold a Victor VV-90 that he brought back to life, and my 11 year old is most of the way through a 1949 Admiral 30A1 television. They enjoy vintage electronics as much as I do, but there's a time and place for that.

He's patient, and will just wait for another one or will end up buying it with his own money.

zeno 01-02-2015 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 3122513)
Well, lessee now... I have ALL SORTS of interests that go AGAINST the grain of what is "Socially Responsible"... I drive one of the WORST gas hogs on the hiway-A V-10 4X4 Excursion, I have OVER 100 Guns of all various shapes, sizes, & calibres, including a LEGAL full-auto Uzi, I have a HOUSEFUL of ancient radios & TVs that have God only knows WHAT kinds of Noxious Pollutants THEY have, & I kicked at a Puppy here the other day.. Not only THAT, but I ALSO tore off the "Do NOT Remove This Tag" from my Mattress...

Sandy
You are welcome to my street anytime. We even got a gun store
with everything from BB's to full autos. No crime, gee wonder why ?
I am sure its not that 90% of the town is armed:thmbsp:

Anyhows break up the CRT's some so they pack well. Take em back to old lead mines & bury them. Its the green way. You would be restoring
the natural enviroment of the mines. Kinda like restoring wetlands
or a fishery. Any leaching of the lead would probably less than before
it was mined.

I too am a tag ripper. I also pull warning tags & grind down
polarized plugs. Even landfilled some mercury cells, oh the humanity !
Its my little way of fighting back. To old to fight tyranny at a
bridge at this point.

73 Zeno:smoke:

sampson159 01-02-2015 08:50 AM

about 8 years ago,a couple of guys were going around to antique and junk stores claiming they were from the epa.they were taking sets from owners and threatening them with fines and jail time.here we have fines if you dont take a crt to the recycle center for proper burial.i never saw a shovel in the place.every week a semi leaves the place loaded.unmarked,and unnoticed.my best friend drives that truck.government is out of control.if this is real,then show me the bodies of this situation.why are we living longer if all these things are so deadly?another way to fleece the public

andy 01-02-2015 12:23 PM

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Electronic M 01-02-2015 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco-nix (Post 3122535)
and I have a Zenith 1971 CRT 25' that I want to restore...And i'm looking for a some schematics for my zenith...

If you can post the chassis number then I should be able to send you the factory schematic, and possibly the full service manual (though my manual collection is less complete than my schematic collection).

Jon A. 01-02-2015 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeno (Post 3122542)
Sandy
You are welcome to my street anytime. We even got a gun store
with everything from BB's to full autos. No crime, gee wonder why ?
I am sure its not that 90% of the town is armed:thmbsp:

I too am a tag ripper. I also pull warning tags & grind down
polarized plugs. Even landfilled some mercury cells, oh the humanity !
Its my little way of fighting back. To old to fight tyranny at a
bridge at this point.

73 Zeno:smoke:

Damn, I've got to visit some time and smuggle a little something back. I might need it if packers come knocking at my door.

I pulled my sheets for laundering last night, so off came the mattress tags. Affixed in accordance with the law eh? Warning tags are an open invitation to me. I removed a bonded Thomson yoke once; the last piece to go had the label that said not to try to remove the yoke.

Electronic M 01-02-2015 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon A. (Post 3122571)
Damn, I've got to visit some time and smuggle a little something back. I might need it if packers come knocking at my door.

Funny, the folks out here try to acquire those to fend off bears fans...

rca2000 01-02-2015 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy (Post 3122552)
If those pictures were accurate, and not stock photos, they're mostly old computer monitors. There's no real change here. No one wants 20-30 year old TVs. It was no different back when tube sets were in that age range. You couldn't give away color roundies, or 60's tube sets in the 80s and 90s. Even I didn't want them back then.


There are a FEW under 30 year old tv sets I desire and collect. Those late 1980's NAP sets with the C6 C8 or C9 chassis, 1986-1989 Sears sanyo sets (SOME Of them--ONLY the cold chassis ones --in particular the big, tall 31 and 35 inch console sets they made..the 35" in particular. ), a few RCA chassis like the dimensia CTC 131 or 133. NOT the ctc 140...I HATE that chassis !!) and a few others NO miutsubishi sets !!

Jon A. 01-02-2015 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3122585)
Funny, the folks out here try to acquire those to fend off bears fans...

Made me think for a few seconds. ;)

centralradio 01-08-2015 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by centralradio (Post 3122503)
They mind as will lock me up with 300 plus counts of possession of CRT sets.
We live in a corrupt gullible era that the public is stupid and believe all the media BS thats out there.

They showed it when DTV hit the airwaves and believe the BS the feds and the media said that digital TV is better then analog and need the channel bandwidth for emergency response radio.

DTV is crap and the corrupt telecommunication corps got they want.

Sorry about the rant.

I now have a JVC 32 inch set in back of my car waiting to get moved into my house once I make a space for it.

Hahaha.I just added two more sets to my collection.
All the environuts can come get me.LOL....

walterbeers 01-08-2015 04:44 PM

Those CRT tubes never hurt anybody, unless they imploded. The government and the recycling industry is just trying to make more money off anything that might be consider hazardous. Aren't the new swirly light bulbs also considered hazardous waste, but yet they want us to buy those and "save" energy. Anything can be considered hazardous if used in the wrong way. Yea, we send them over to 3rd world countries, and let them burn them, which is worse than just leaving them alone buried in a landfill. Even the flat screens I believe contain mercury, so are they going to ban those too in time for something newer and better for the environment? Those stupid suit and tie guys in Washington try to force everything on the general public so the big CEO's, and politicians can rake in all the dough. Oh by the way, lets ban cars (people get killed in accidents), lets ban all guns, how about power plants, (they produce pollution), Maybe we can all live on solar power, with our environmentally friendly gadgets. Think they will ever run semi-trucks on batteries? I doubt it!! No fuel, no pollution, but think again, the batteries (if it were possible) would also contain poisonous waste. CRTs, well I'm keeping my old TV sets.

Jon A. 01-08-2015 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by centralradio (Post 3123175)
Hahaha.I just added two more sets to my collection.
All the environuts can come get me.LOL....

I have one coming tomorrow, ha.

Good luck to them confiscating my stuff while riding a bicycle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by walterbeers (Post 3123184)
Those CRT tubes never hurt anybody, unless they imploded. The government and the recycling industry is just trying to make more money off anything that might be consider hazardous. Aren't the new swirly light bulbs also considered hazardous waste, but yet they want us to buy those and "save" energy. Anything can be considered hazardous if used in the wrong way. Yea, we send them over to 3rd world countries, and let them burn them, which is worse than just leaving them alone buried in a landfill. Even the flat screens I believe contain mercury, so are they going to ban those too in time for something newer and better for the environment? Those stupid suit and tie guys in Washington try to force everything on the general public so the big CEO's, and politicians can rake in all the dough. Oh by the way, lets ban cars (people get killed in accidents), lets ban all guns, how about power plants, (they produce pollution), Maybe we can all live on solar power, with our environmentally friendly gadgets. Think they will ever run semi-trucks on batteries? I doubt it!! No fuel, no pollution, but think again, the batteries (if it were possible) would also contain poisonous waste. CRTs, well I'm keeping my old TV sets.

With any luck china will destroy their share of the ozone layer completely and burn themselves off the face of the earth.

I don't think mercury switches are used in cars anymore due to environmental profits, yet the flat panels are loaded with the stuff and designed to break. Ka-ching!

It's a little known fact that the ties those suit dummies wear restrict blood flow to the brain. Not that they were smart to begin with.

Handguns are already banned in Canada. No voluntary trips to the Gottingen Street area for me. Area residents are poor and have to conserve their ammunition, so that keeps gun crime down a bit.

rca2000 01-08-2015 09:35 PM

And guns are banned for the POLICE (they call them "gendarmes") in Paris.....look how THAT worked out...

Jon A. 01-08-2015 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rca2000 (Post 3123216)
And guns are banned for the POLICE (they call them "gendarmes") in Paris.....look how THAT worked out...

Wow, I'd feel really safe with overpaid security guards for protection.

"Gendunarmes" would be a more appropriate term now.

Marco-nix 01-09-2015 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walterbeers (Post 3123184)
Those CRT tubes never hurt anybody, unless they imploded. The government and the recycling industry is just trying to make more money off anything that might be consider hazardous. Aren't the new swirly light bulbs also considered hazardous waste, but yet they want us to buy those and "save" energy. Anything can be considered hazardous if used in the wrong way. Yea, we send them over to 3rd world countries, and let them burn them, which is worse than just leaving them alone buried in a landfill. Even the flat screens I believe contain mercury, so are they going to ban those too in time for something newer and better for the environment? Those stupid suit and tie guys in Washington try to force everything on the general public so the big CEO's, and politicians can rake in all the dough. Oh by the way, lets ban cars (people get killed in accidents), lets ban all guns, how about power plants, (they produce pollution), Maybe we can all live on solar power, with our environmentally friendly gadgets. Think they will ever run semi-trucks on batteries? I doubt it!! No fuel, no pollution, but think again, the batteries (if it were possible) would also contain poisonous waste. CRTs, well I'm keeping my old TV sets.



Just two words i will say: I AGREE:thmbsp:

Marco-nix 01-10-2015 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3122565)
If you can post the chassis number then I should be able to send you the factory schematic, and possibly the full service manual (though my manual collection is less complete than my schematic collection).

Hmm,.. There 's too much stock on it and the set is in a shed in a basement :( but its a Zenith Solid-state.

here is my Set:

http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/16/43/78/89/zenith11.jpg
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/16/43/78/89/zenith12.jpg

Dude111 01-10-2015 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walterbeers
Aren't the new swirly light bulbs also considered hazardous waste, but yet they want us to buy those and "save" energy

Yea and they are CRAP ALSO.... Dont produce as good light,etc......

Complete trash!!


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