Lg e8 oled screenshot test
 

Our 14 year old Sony XBR LCD TV finally malfunctioned, so we replaced it with a 2018 LG E8 4K OLED.

For those who remember how the first two commercial Sony Trinitron televisions looked and performed when they were introduced in 1968. At that time, the KV 7010UA and KV 1210U blew out every other CRT color television on the market in terms of perceived picture quality. It was instantly recognized by consumers, a quantum leap in color fedelity. I was 22 when the first Trinitrons were introduced.

I’m here to say that to this viewers eyes, the LG E8 OLED represents the same perceivable picture quality improvement when compared to LCD back lit displays as the Trinitron was to CRT based color sets in 1968.

The blacks are inky black infinite, which makes all other colors pop. At 80 degrees off axis, the image suffers no loss in contrast or picture quality. So far, I have not had the LG professionally calibrated, because the sets ISF Expert dark room and Technicolor presets are said to be close to perfect out the box. I have the LG set as follows: ISF Expert Dark Room, color temperature: Warm 2, Gamma 2.2, luminance: 37, all enhancements set to OFF, and we only adjusted the “2 Method” settings. The LG E8 is Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos enabled. Wide color gamut achieves a tested 98.5% of the DCI P3 color gamut. I have had a chance to view some 4K content with Dolby Vision HDR and its beautiful.

I have attached two low resolution screenshots of Katie Perry on American Idol last night and links to the the full resolution shots. ABC broadcasts in 720P. The camera used is a Sony A6300, 1/50 second, F16, focal length 24mm, auto white balance. I hope to update this thread with proper 4K HDR screenshots. These screenshots can’t convey the excellence of the image, but when you see it, you know it. The excitement I experienced from Trinitron comes back 50 years later with OLED.

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Wow. And thats a 720P transmission. Just think what it would look like on a 1080I (CBS) transmission.

Marshall, I'm shocked that you didn't by a Sony for all the Sony stuff you've owned over the years. I want to buy a Sony OLED 4K set this year or next. My 32" Sony CRT that's my daily user now for 24 years is getting a bit soft. I think I'm getting close to buying my first flat panel tv but the jury is still out. The LG looks nice. I've never owned any outher tv brand but Sony since 1982. Not sure I could buy an LG because of that.

John,
You know I’m a big Sony fan. This was a matter of timing. The Sony failed unexpectedly and we needed a replacement. LG is slashing prices just ahead of the 2019 intros. The LG we purchased is the glass on glass elegant model with the upgrades at an incredible price.

Sony uses the LG panels and it’s a close call. Honestly we’d have to spend a thousand more to get the Sony and it’s a close call. The LG is in the guest bedroom.

That’s it, Sony’s just last. Your 24 years with the same Sony is testament to their longevity and typical not an exception.

KF4RCA,

I will post 4K content soon.

Here is an example of LG’s OLED off axis view, about 80 degrees off axis. No loss of contrast or brightness. As you may know, each pixel in the 4K display is self emitting, no backlighting required. The LG uses WRBG, but only the white pixels are OLED. The RGB pixels use color filters, so there is no problem with the RGB degrading over time. The white OLED used by LG is rated 50K hours at half life.

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That is a beautiful picture. What are your thoughts on the WebOS interface and magic remote?

The WebOS has been around for awhile, but it’s easy to use. I’d like to see more apps. The remote virtual cursor takes some time getting use to. It’s like if you never used a touch pad on a laptop kind of thing. The cursor can be adjusted to three sizes and the voice command is nice. I don’t have any Google products as I prefer Apple, but you can control your Google home devices.

I was surprised how fast the web browser is. You can adjust web page sizes and they really look good with the DCI-P3 deep color. I haven’t tried the virtual laptop style keyboard yet. Another nice feature is the Gallery mode which displays beautiful artwork and photography. I’d rather have it than not.

The biggest surprise is the “sound bar” quality of audio. There is a thin speaker grill strip in black which runs the width of the display and blends in with the bottom bezel and you hardly notice it. There are built in subs in the back bumpout. I set the audio for Dolby Atmos. When we bought the set, we thought we would need a sound bar. No auxiliary speakers as the set is in a guest bedroom. The sound is spacious, like a very good sound bar of larger size and we don’t need a sound bar and well suited for a bedroom. The sound stage opens up well past the TV screen with good bass notes.

Thanks for the feedback, I've been in the market for one and it's tough to get info on any OS. I did find that LG supports a few Logitech keyboards and mice, so that might compliment the browser and remote nicely.

A few more more screenshots. Go here for full resolution shots. https://visions4netjournal.com/4k/#jp-carousel-8688

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This is a live shot from ABC Network, last night, May 19, 2019, 720P resolution.

Television: LG E8 OLED.
Camera: Sony A6300, FL: F23, Aperture: 8, SS: 1/50, auto white balance.

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SPeaking of LG I recently Acquired a 2012 LG 50PM6700 50" Plasma 3D Smart TV which when I first got it, the mainboard was bad on it and because of that the TV refused to power up.

1 new mainboard later and a new factory remote that I got from ebay and some new Passive 3D glasses for it and its a great TV and it produces excellent picture and the fact that Plasma's were known for their ability to reproduce the picture/color quality of the old CRT TVs is an added Bonus!

I might post some screenshots if you guys are interested.

LG low grade

Update. Thirteen months since purchase.

As a retired person, I’m home most of the time. The LG E8 is on every day from morning to night. I watch CNN a lot with it’s incumbent static logos. No trace of screen burn in. Low resolution 720P shot from ABC last night.

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UPDATE, JUNE 26, 2020
Today we took screenshots of the newly restored “Wizard Of Oz” in UHD Dolby Vision HDR from our LG E8 OLED which supports both formats. We purchased the BluRay disc reviewed in our June 23, 2020 post, which came with a digital copy. We used the Amazon Prime app to view the digital copy. Upon playback, the LG E8 switched to Dolby Vision and set HDR. As expected we saw much brighter, deeper color on this television. The film grain noted on the Sony 385ES projector is more apparent on the LG E8. This classic film is even more impressive with Dolby Vision HDR. We are seeing details and colors never seen before in this movie. You can judge for yourself in the below screenshots.

We set our Sony A6300 on a tripod, positioned about 30 inches from the 55 inch screen in a totally dark guest bedroom. Settings: FL 17, SS1/125, Aperture 5.0, ISO 2000, CWB. Pausing the streamed movie creates a pop up menu, so no pause and we set the shutter to 1/125 second. This is not a problem with an OLED television.

The LG E8 OLED television was set to ISF Expert Dark Room color calabration, gamma 2.2, OLED white 40, all picture enhancements turned off. The television has NOT been professionally calibrated by ISF as was the Sony 385ES projector.

Tap or click on images for 6000X4000 resolution. It is recommended that these images be viewed on a WCG monitor. sRGB is good, DCI P3 is better.

Tap or click to view. https://visions4netjournal.com/4k-portfolio/

See my Sony 385ES thread to compare screenshots on that projector. http://www.videokarma.org/showthread...=270073&page=3

Wow 4K Laserdiscs! The LD format has come a long way since the Japan only MUSE HDLD discs. The video still analog or did they have to make concessions for UHD? :D

“ The LD format has come a long way since the Japan only MUSE HDLD discs. The video still analog or did they have to make concessions for UHD?”

In the case of The Wizard Of Oz, this video can explain your question better than I can.

https://youtu.be/x-6MYP0RxTI

That was a joke. Laserdisc is a 12" analog video disc format introduced around 1981 and being discontinued around 2002in favor of the smaller DVD format. I'm sure You're using laserdisc to refer to Blu-ray which is a completely different format....that question was a technical way of making fun of an anachronistic way of referring to a modern system.
It strikes the ear about as oddly as it would if I said I was going to watch a UHD Betamax tape.

If someone were to say they were "taping" taping something on their DVR or talking about leaving electric lights "burning" I'd be tempted to ask them if they have enough DVR tapes or light bulb kerosene to poke fun at them in a similar way..

Correction. I meant BluRay disc. My only excuse, early morning posting/tired. :-)

Next is to test the BluRay movie on the Westy and CTC-7 Worthington. Even though the HDMI converter will dumb done the images on the roundies, I expect improved images over the 75th anniversary version.

Worse. I would rate that image quality 4 on a scale
of 0-10. It suffers from serious "peaking" (dark an light halos) ,
low resolution in most areas, and extreme loss of detail in low contrast areas (like her nose).

1080i would be worse because they would be unable to increase resolution (since its already horrendously bitrate limited) and the interlace would case
even worse problems.

I have not seen ANY television sources in years, except Blu-ray discs, that were above 5 in picture quality. Most of our cable TV is 2 on a 0-10 scale,
the very best is 4. That includes OTA channels over cable. The local TV stations sometimes reach 5 when transmitting local material of talking heads actually OTA. Much of cable is 0 on a scale of 0-10.

I should add that my Sony LCD TV can produce 9 when fed from my Canon DSLR camera in [email protected]. The difference is stunning.

“Worse. I would rate that image quality 4 on a scale
of 0-10. It suffers from serious "peaking" (dark an light halos) ,
low resolution in most areas, and extreme loss of detail in low contrast areas (like her nose). “

That image was from a Direct TV source. Depending on where you read, Direct TV runs about 7 to 12 mbps. I also have Apple TV+.

FlatpanelsHD editor-in-chief Rasmus Larsen has now put some numbers to the claims.

Rasmus Larsen from HD forum writes that Apple TV+ shows have the highest streaming quality for 4K out of all the services on the market at the moment, and eclipses most iTunes movies in bit rates.

Apple TV+ drama SEE hit highs of 41 Mbps with an average bitrate of 29 Mbps when streaming using an Apple TV 4K. Even the Snoopy cartoon recorded a 13Mbps average, which is high given it is a 2D cartoon with a relatively limited color palette.

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On the BluRay disc of Wizard of Oz, I was seeing 90+ Mbps. I will be retesting Wizard Of Oz on a BluRay player as viewed on the LG E8.

Screenshot showing 91.1Mbps on UHD BluRay disc of Wizard of Oz. I’ve seen 95+ Mbps.

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Hi all! I’m new to this site and I just want to share that I just recently bought the Sony XBR 77 A9G Master Series OLED and very happy with it.

Warner Brothers digital copy of Wizard Of Oz UHD HDR had to be opened with a new application called “Movies Anywhere”.

I found out that Movies Anywhere and iTunes are neck and neck when it comes to peak and average bitrate for video at around 25mbps average and peaks up to 30mbps for 4K video.

We previously uploaded screenshots of the digital copy above from Prime Video which has 12 to 15 mbps.

So here are retakes using the Movies Anywhere app. which bumps up the OLED white from 40 to 50 and increases the contrast 10 points. It also defaults to a new calibration setting called “Dolby Vision Cinema Home”. I prefer this setting overall for this movie compared to “ISF EXPERT DARK ROOM”. Noice the freckles on Dorthy’s face which are not visible on previous releases. You can’t see it in these photos, but the movie has a 3D look to it. These photos best viewed on a wide color gamut monitor like DCI P3.

I read another thread here asking if it was possible to see original NTSC colors of Wizard Of Oz on UHD television with wide color gamut. These shots were taken from an LG OLED UHD HDR television with DCI P3 color gamut.



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We still plan on viewing this movie using an UHD BluRay player on the LG OLED.

Not sure what's going on here, but these pictures are full of artifacts.
Can't guess if the artifacts in the source, generated by the TV, or generated by your camera creating some sort of moire' in combination with the TV pixels that then got garbled by the jpg compression, or something your web host did to them. Many areas (saturated colors in particular) look like old laser-printer dithering.

Also, they are posted as jpg, and the colors have been converted to sRGB. Viewing on a normal sRGB color gamut monitor, or any properly profiled monitor with a color managed app like Photoshop, will give the correct saturation, but the color gamut will only be sRGB. Viewing on a P3 device without color management results in over-saturated colors.

OK - I opened the EXIF data on one of the pics and I see a shutter speed of 1/200. It appears this has captured some sort of duty-cycle dithering of the pixels on the display. I would try shooting at 1/30 second or slower and see what happens.

Well that is interesting. I’m viewing these photos on an iPad Pro 2 10.5 with DCI P3 color gamut and they all look very clean with no evidence of which you speak of. I wonder as you what is going on. I have noticed that this forum still degrades full 6000X4000 resolution images which these are. Would you be so kind as to go this link https://visions4netjournal.com/4k-portfolio/ and click on one or two of the same images and tell me if you see the same artifacts?

This is the data from the first image. Dorothy’s face.

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BA44021A-F920-4EFE-9165-CBF1CA78306B specifically is the one I looked at, and yes, it is the same when downloaded from the page link you just gave.

When viewing on the iPad pro, are you enlarging it to original pixel resolution? If not, the viewer app may be smoothing out the artifacts.

As far as the color being correct on the iPad, this only indicates your viewer app is properly color managed; it does not indicate that the full P3 gamut is preserved in the jpg file.

I will try that tomorrow, but can you tell me if you see the same artifacts when you click on the images on my site?

The screen resolution of the iPad is 2224x1668 pixels, but if I pinch it out to full resolution (6000X4000) I see no artifacts.

Okay, I need to study the color management. I can shoot in RAW. Thanks for this, obviously I’m not fully understanding what I’m trying to accomplish.

When enlarged to full resolution on my display, I do see something that looks like pixel structure. I wondered about that, because the pixels should not be visible. The LG E8 has a native 4K resolution and I can’t see the pixels with eyes focused very close to the screen. Is this what your talking about? Honestly not objectionable but clearly visible in full resolution. I’m so used to seeing the images in 2224X1668. Not seeing any other artifact.

Sorry I can't post a pic now because I have reached my upload limit (asking Tim if it can be increased). I will crop a portion of the image and link it on Flickr tomorrow. The pattern seems larger than individual pixels to me, but I will review - maybe that's what I'm seeing. Do the pixels on the display have a unidirectional placement (like R,G,B from left to right similar to an LCD) or some sort of two dimensional grid?

Posting enlargements to 6000x4000 but limited to iPad screen resolution. It does not look like pixels, more of a grid pattern. The second photo is the very blurred bush’s background with stuff that looks like hash. I chalk that up to unresolved details in a very blurry background. This is digital file supplied by Warner with the BluRay UHD and streamed at about 25 mbps.

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Here's a cropped section to illustrate what I'm seeing. It's small enough to display full size on just about any monitor.

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Yes, that comports with the photos in post#35. I don’t have a laptop or desktop. The iPad Pro 2 with 10.5 screen has a pixel density of 264 per inch, P3 gamut, so my photos look good at that resolution.(actually 6000X4000) I’ve checked on the web browser of the LG E8 55 inch OLED and when clicked on to 6000X4000, that grid structure is visible. Further below, the photos taken from Oz in UHD HDR Dolby Vision BluRay source on a 120 inch screen, the grid pattern is not visible. Also when I take SS’s of live broadcasts on the LG E8, I do not see this grid pattern.

Having said that, I’m convinced this artifact is present in the digital copy and not the BluRay disc. Still, I’m seeing freckles on Dorothy’s face not seen before and other details. Brighter deeper colors. I took 14 shots of this same image in freeze frame, took different settings, shutter speeds and I could make the grid pattern go away, but the photos looked less sharp. The best looking, sharpest photos have the grid pattern. I think it’s embedded in the digital file.

Next step is to buy a second BluRay player (my existing BluRay player is deeply embedded in a media cabinet which I don’t want to mess with) to run Oz on the LG E8. I’m going to need a mini USB card reader to iPad port to transfer the very large RAW files to the iPad. Then I can do the processing in Lightroom or Infinity Photo.

EDIT: Same photo full resolution on iPad.
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Very interesting!

Update August 24, 2020.

The Apple TV app was finally made available on my 2018 LG E8 OLED which now as over 8,600 hours on it. (No trace of burn in after 18 months.) I wanted to retest to see if the grid pattern discussed in the above posts would still be there. That’s an affirmative, see below 7 screen shots. Then to check if the pattern was unique to The Wizard Of Oz, we took several SS’s of Mama Mia! Here We Go Again, a delightful musical based on ABBA music. Production values and color are excellent. The pattern is there as well, so I conclude we are seeing the pixel pattern on the OLED screen. The pattern is only visible on well focused photos.

Both movies are in native 4K with Dolby Vision HDR and Dolby Atmos object based sound. Both movie were streamed from Apple TV which has an average bit rate of 41 mbps. The shots were taken by a Sony A6300, this time in full auto, with tripod. FL 16 mm, SS 1/160, CWB. The LG E8 was tested having 98% DCI P3 color gamut.

EDIT: No freeze frame used.

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Can this source be paused to take multiple photos, to see if the pattern is time-dithered, and a long-exposure photo to see if the pattern gets averaged out?
Can you get the same pattern with a different paused source?