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MRX37 07-29-2020 12:07 PM

Oh nothing much, just an RCA DIMENSIA!!
 
Okay... Okay let me re enact when I first saw this TV sitting on the curb last night:

"What's this?"

https://i.imgur.com/QyLuN1ql.jpg

"Oh, that is a lot of inputs... What the heck is this thing?"


http://i.imgur.com/WWyx2k3l.jpg
(Click for full size)


"Oh my god! I never thought I would find one of these!!"


"Does it work?! Does it work?!"

http://i.imgur.com/ATe6WdVl.jpg


""OH MY GOD IT WORKS! IT WORKS IT WORKS IT WORKS!!"


Okay... Okay... Okay... Let me just take a moment to think about the odds of finding what was probably the best consumer grade RCA TV that you could buy at the time.

I don't think you could have gotten a better RCA TV, unless it was a commercial installation.

You may be familiar with the ColorTrak 2000 TV's from RCA, well those were a derivative of the Dimensia.


http://i.imgur.com/dNSCIlLl.jpg

Made in November 1987. If I understand my history correctly this was *just* before RCA was sold to Thomson. GE had acquired them, but didn't sell the TV division of RCA to Thomson until 1988.


This makes this one of the last true RCA sets.


Oh I have to get the back off of this! I have to see what it looks like!

http://i.imgur.com/qO55D4Vl.jpg

My God... look at how clean it is inside!!

There is hardly any dust! The HV anode lead hasn't grown fur on it! Either this TV was opened and cleaned regularly, which is amazing seeing as it looks like it was never opened before.

Or...

Or...

Or... this is a low hour set!!


I mean I plugged it in, turned it on, and the picture came right up! And it's on the default brightness and contrast settings! I have yet to try it with a signal, but even the snow on the screen looks bright and sharp!



Gentlemen: I think I have found RCA's swan song.

JohnCT 07-29-2020 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRX37 (Post 3226355)


You may be familiar with the ColorTrak 2000 TV's from RCA, well those were a derivative of the Dimensia.


Yep. The Dimensia was a tarted up ColorTrak 2000. I believe the software was the difference. The Dimensia also had a black RCA connector on the back that matched up with the Dimensia audio components. You could program the TV to come on at a certain time, turn on the audio components, and even have the cassette deck start recording.

There was a demo mode to that bad boy as well, something quite unusual for the 80s. I can't remember the key combination to push though.. Give me a day or so to think about that.

Anyway, the CTC140 was probably the best analogue TV ever built from a picture standpoint, better than any variation of the 169 that replaced it (and there were some excellent 169s).

Whereas the later 169s came in low end versions, all of the 140s were fabulous performers. They even made a 20" version. I can't think of any CRT TV that had the combination of detail, sharpness, smoothness, and lack of artifacts than the 140 had.

The 140 was not trouble free however. The good news is that you won't need what I call "hard parts" (transmission term) like flybacks, yokes, drive transformers etc.

Almost every 140 has connection issues on the small daughter board mounted upright behind the SMPS transformer. There is a thin air coil inductor and three rectifiers on that board, and the solder cracks causing intermittent shutdown and restart. If you get a spontaneous restart, look there first.

There are some other issues that we won't talk about now. If that is a low hour TV, you probably will only deal with the daughter board solder connections (we had to solder them even in warranty).

Enjoy.

John

ESigma25 07-29-2020 04:21 PM

The local Salvation Army had a ColorTrak 2000 console set for a while, I liked the TV part but the console was pretty ugly. This thing looks pretty cool!

MRX37 07-29-2020 04:50 PM

I have more pictures that I took but forgot to post, in part because my hands were shaking so much just from excitement.

A Dimensia has been something like my White Whale set, and to find this late 80's example with the 27" screen and comb filter, in this good of shape. I am still in shock. And it was like 8 or 10 houses down from where I live too!

And the lady who threw it out told me it was her grandmother's TV, and that her grandmother meant to throw it out but missed trash day, so she took it home to throw it out, and I happened to find it!


Okay then, so more pics:

http://i.imgur.com/ShIsJ6Al.jpg
Allllll those inputs and controls and adjustments...

http://i.imgur.com/tAlxXh8l.jpg
So this is a CTC 140E chassis. Dunno what the E means but I would guess a later revision?

http://i.imgur.com/wwS1Y10l.jpg
These are probably the best speakers I have ever seen in a 27 inch set.


I hooked the TV up to a converter box and the picture is near flawless! Corner convergence is maybe a pixel or two off, but I don't want to mess with it.

I don't think the chassis has ever been touched. It is all original and I do not want to mess with it. I mean if that solder issue with the daughterboard comes up I'll fix it of course, but this TV is so nice... I really don't want to molest it.

MRX37 07-29-2020 04:52 PM

I do have one question though:

That SCART connector on it. I know it's not really SCART on this set, but can that be used as a video input? Meaning can I connect something like S-Video to this set to get the best possible picture?

MadMan 07-29-2020 09:50 PM

Ahh, back in the day when TVs could actually have a good sound system on them.

MRX37 07-29-2020 10:51 PM

Oh the 65 inch Smart TV in my living room, made in 2018 has very good sound as well. No sound bar or anything, it just has good internal speakers.

But I digress. I have had a chance to run the set and it's not as low hour as I thought. I do need to set the brightness up to about 3/4 to get a bright enough image. So the CRT has some hours on it.

Also I don't think the set was run in a long time as the picture started out more shifted towards green with weak reds, but over the course of the hour that I ran it, the red balanced out.

Also some of the front panel buttons were unresponsive at first, but as I pressed them, they started working again and now they work fine. I think the set just needs to be used, and given a G2 adjustment.

MRX37 07-30-2020 12:38 PM

Soooo I'm wrong about it being a low hour set. I did a setup with a test pattern DVD and found out the drive controls are maxed out, and I have to max out the contrast to get the picture halfway acceptable.

I have some headroom on the G2 adjustment before I hit retrace lines, but the CRT is pretty tired.

Still there is enough life left in it for me to see just how good the picture was, and I can't blame the owner. If I paid the 1987 equivalent of $3400 for this TV, I'd sure as hell use it for the next 30 years until the CRT got too weak to be acceptable.

What amazes me is how clean the inside of the set is. Though I guess if you can afford a TV that expensive then you can also afford ionizers to keep dust out of the air.

Wouldn't it be neat if I could get ahold of an A68ACC12X CRT?

But I would settle for borrowing a CRT tester with a good rejuvenate function. A simple clean and balance (the lighter form of rejuvenate) would probably wake this CRT right up.

TVTim 07-30-2020 01:21 PM

Lucky you! My neighbor has the same set in his office at work.

zeno 07-31-2020 04:11 PM

Nice catch ! I still like the CTC169 better but the 140's were more serviceable.
CRT looks super strong so I would not shoot the CRT. Just do a by the
book set-up on it & enjoy.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

JohnCT 07-31-2020 05:18 PM

I can't tell, but the tube looks strong in your pic.

IIRC, the correct setup for the drive controls would have at least one at 100%, the other two adjusted for best grey scale at high contrast and brightness.

The bias controls would normally be adjusted about half way give or take.

These were never the brightest TVs, but they were bright enough to produce an accurate, not cartooney over drive pic that people today seem to love. There is a contrast preset pot someone on the board (orange towards the middle??). I used to turn them down a bit so customers didn't crank the crap out of the contrast.

They were never perfectly focused in the corners either, but good enough. These were almost flat CRTs, but IIRC, RCA didn't use a modulated focus in the 140 as they did in later 169s (the higher end versions).

If your grey scale is accurate and you can focus it sharply, the tube is probably fine.

As for the E variant, RCA just added letters to differentiate the difference between all the models that used the same basic platform.

Your E has a computer that no other RCA 140 had, and that is the Dimensia processor. IIRC, it's on it's own daughter board. Notice the RCA connector that says "control"? Other 140s didn't have it. That's unique to the E and the Dimensia series.

Other variants would offer fewer AV jacks, different audio output ICs and associated components, or if it was a 20", would have a different flyback and other 20" specific components that only that variant would use, so the tech would use the schematic for the exact chassis.

The later 169 variants were even more varied. Some had pix in pix, no pix in pix, or 12 picture pix in pix, one of several analogue and digital comb filters, one of five or six different audio sections, different deflection circuits depending on CRT etc.

John

MRX37 07-31-2020 05:44 PM

I would like a CRT tester to verify just how good the CRT really is... but what I do know is all 3 drives were set at max before I got the set, and I need all 3 bias controls set to max or near max. (The green seems to be the strongest gun)

With the contrast and drive controls maxed out, the grayscale is acceptable. I will try tweaking that contrast pot, see if it helps.

I made a video on this set. You can see it in the thread here:

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread...97#post3226397

zeno 07-31-2020 07:19 PM

IIRC you balance the grey scale to the strongest gun BUT its
been probably 15+ yrs ! In other words if G is dominant leave it
all the way down & bring up the R & B for grey scale.
I should have the Sams & will look tomorrow. If the process is
short enuf I will post it, probably abbreviated... By the book its
not as simple as most sets but you can eye ball it just about as
good.

73 Zeno
LFOD !

MRX37 07-31-2020 07:40 PM

Okay. I'll wait and see what you have.

JohnCT 07-31-2020 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRX37 (Post 3226407)
I would like a CRT tester to verify just how good the CRT really is... but what I do know is all 3 drives were set at max before I got the set, and I need all 3 bias controls set to max or near max. (The green seems to be the strongest gun)

With the contrast and drive controls maxed out, the grayscale is acceptable. I will try tweaking that contrast pot, see if it helps.

I made a video on this set. You can see it in the thread here:

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread...97#post3226397


It's possible a ham and egger screwed with the controls. There is a way to put that TV in the service mode to get the line for setting up the biases. They should not be near 100 percent. At least one drive should be.

I probably tossed the field service training manuals but I'll check tomorrow morning when I get to work.


John

zeno 08-01-2020 01:32 PM

For service line
Turn set on then off. Press & power buttons together.

Set R, G, & B bias controls to MIN
Set R, G, & B to MAX
Set Screen ( G-2) to just get a line.
Adjust 2 of the 3 BIAS controls for a white line.
Press power to get out of service.

Set Brite & contrast to max.
Adjust the R, B, & G DRIVE for best brite whites.

Probably best to mark the controls before starting. Also with age
you may have to compromise some by not running it to the max.

73 Zeno

MRX37 08-01-2020 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeno (Post 3226430)
For service line
Turn set on then off. Press & power buttons together.

This is unclear. Press what and power buttons?

JohnCT 08-01-2020 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRX37 (Post 3226432)
This is unclear. Press what and power buttons?

LOL, wondering the same thing. I thought it would jog my memory but for some reason I'm thinking holding down "video" and "power".

Anyway, I seem to remember that RCA printed the way to get to the kine setup line in teeny tiny print on the too-small layout sheet glued inside the cabinet. Take a look with a bright light and magnifying glass.

I checked, all the training manuals from that era have been scrapped. I still have the 169 stuff as I still see one occasionally, and my father in law still has his 1991 35" 169 Invar. Saw it two nights ago, runs like new.

I do have 140 on microfiche. If you want a copy, I can mail it to you.

John

zeno 08-01-2020 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRX37 (Post 3226432)
This is unclear. Press what and power buttons?

OOPS
Press setup & power together.

MRX37 08-01-2020 07:31 PM

Mmm nope. The Tv won;t come on with the setup+power buttons being held.

Look, service mode is just a white line across the screen, right? If so then I can make that happen with a computer graphic.

old_tv_nut 08-01-2020 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRX37 (Post 3226436)
Mmm nope. The Tv won;t come on with the setup+power buttons being held.

Look, service mode is just a white line across the screen, right? If so then I can make that happen with a computer graphic.

No, setup is a very nearly black line that is visible because it is all the lines in the raster falling on top of each other. It also requires that the video circuit is disabled except for a fixed bias applied. The aim is to have the video output stage biased to a known voltage that should represent black and then adjust the CRT G2 voltages so that it actually is nearly black. Then when the service switch is set to normal, the blacks in the picture are neutral and all the gray levels are the same neutral.

MRX37 08-01-2020 10:45 PM

Earlier someone mentioned the set had a demo mode. I now know how to access that. With the TV on, pressing both SETUP and POWER bring up the demo mode.

Still haven't gotten to the service mode yet

JohnCT 08-02-2020 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRX37 (Post 3226441)
Earlier someone mentioned the set had a demo mode. I now know how to access that. With the TV on, pressing both SETUP and POWER bring up the demo mode.

Still haven't gotten to the service mode yet

That was me. Unfortunately, I remember it had one, but I forgot the key sequence.

Did you look for small print on the inside chassis layout label? That info may be there. I know for a fact it was on the 175 and up series. Very small print - looks like legal boilerplate safety info.

It's possible that the service line (no actual service menu on this chassis) may require any front button held down while the TV is plugged in.

If my microfiche reader still works, I'll see if the TV manual covers that. I'll check Monday.

John

MRX37 08-02-2020 10:38 AM

GOT IT!! You unplug the set and hold down the SETUP button then plug it back in!

MRX37 08-02-2020 11:09 AM

Well... That looks a lot better:

http://i.imgur.com/kXQb46Yl.jpg

Maybe this is a low hour set. Would explain why it's so clean on the inside. There's plenty of headroom left on that G2 control and the picture is super sharp.

Maybe you're right JohnCT Maybe some ham and egger screwed with the controls. I would still love to borrow a CRT tester just so I would know what condition the CRT is in, but doing a proper setup really helped.

davet753 08-02-2020 09:29 PM

That's a nice find; there probably aren't too many of those left floating around in good condition like that.

I remember those coming through the shop in the 1990's. They always had a great picture and had about the best audio you would hear on a table model set (except for the Quasar dome speaker system). I never liked servicing them, but since they were a "premium" set, people would pay more for repairs which offset the time investment for the shop tech.

MRX37 08-03-2020 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davet753 (Post 3226463)
That's a nice find; there probably aren't too many of those left floating around in good condition like that.

That's why I'm never letting go of this baby! Not unless someone offered me a truckload of money for it. Even if I have to get rid of all my other TV's, this one is staying! Even if it breaks it's staying, because the odds of me ever finding another one are incalculable.

To celebrate finding this wonderful TV set, I decided to delve into the airwaves of the past and use captured TV signals to recreate what my local channel lineup was as a kid:

https://youtu.be/F0lKINFET8E

Man, creating this video was just a wave of nostalgia for me. When CBET 9 with its fuzzy picture came up on that screen, it just took me back...

I used to experiment with all kinds of TV antenna setups and signal boosters to try and bring in as many distant TV stations as I could. Best I ever did was bringing in WOIO 19 from Cleveland. That only happened once, and with a simple UHF loop of all things.

JohnCT 08-03-2020 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRX37 (Post 3226464)
That's why I'm never letting go of this baby! Not unless someone offered me a truckload of money for it.

One of my customers has two of them. I fixed one right when the pandemic hit (bad solder). The other wasn't working and he's holding it for parts right now, although I told him if he brings it in I'll fix it for him.

If you're in the North East, I'll keep you in mind if another turns up. The 140 really is an unusual performer.

John

MRX37 08-03-2020 05:50 PM

Thanks John CT. The channel lineup in the video I posted above should give away where I'm at...


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