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catman 10-25-2014 12:39 AM

Regen receivers of the past.
 
G'day all, I recently built myself a regenerative receiver for the broadcast band based on the classic Armstrong circuit using a field effect transistor and whilst it is extremely fiddly to tune, its sensitivity is quite impressive.

I wonder if in the valve/tube days of the past whether any regenerative receivers made any appearance in the consumer market, alongside TRF's and superhets? Regards, Felix (vk4fuq) aka catman.

JBL GUY 10-25-2014 08:17 AM

Hello Felix,

Crosley had a line of regenerative receivers.

IIRC there was a model 51 made in the middle 1920s and others from earlier dates in the mid teens.

Again IIRC the model 51 was a 2 tube radio and there was the Radiola Senior Regenerative Receiver from the early 1920s.

Thanks for sharing the information about your build.

old_coot88 10-25-2014 09:50 AM

Knight(kit) Span Master comes to mind..

http://www.dxing.com/rx/span.htm

jr_tech 10-25-2014 11:56 AM

A number of radios in the 20s were regenerative... some shown here:

http://www.radioblvd.com/20sRadio.html

jr

catman 10-25-2014 02:45 PM

G'day all, many thanks. Fascinating stuff! Regards, Felix (vk4fuq) aka catman.

Dave A 10-25-2014 07:37 PM

The Span Master and the following Star Roamer were kit sets from Allied Radio in Chicago. Not Japan or others. I still have my originals of both from my early years. Dad taught me to solder on the Span Master. One divorce later I did the Star Roamer on my own.

The Span Master is tricky to run. The Star Roamer is a standard set more like the day.

jr_tech 10-25-2014 07:59 PM

If we are including kits... we can't leave out the "Ocean Hopper" Knight Kits:
http://www.ohio.edu/people/postr/bapix/oHopper.htm
Crude, but effective.

jr

wa2ise 10-26-2014 12:05 AM

Think I have a Philco that used some superregenitive action in the IF amp stage. IIRC (and a good chance I don't) it was this one:
http://www.wa2ise.com/radios/ph1933.jpg
It had a knob on the back of the chassis that could adjust the gain/superregenitive action of the IF tube.

old_coot88 10-26-2014 02:23 PM

Isn't superregenerative where the oscillation is switched ("squegged") on/off at an ultrasonic rate?

Electronic M 10-26-2014 02:46 PM

In the case of the Philco it could stand for Superhetrodyne front end Regenerative IF....It could be a good way to squeeze a lot more sensitivity out of a puny single stage IF.

JBL GUY 10-26-2014 04:21 PM

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In general terms, in the classical super regenerative receiver, the RF oscillation obtained at the output of the oscillator is applied to a non-linear detector followed by a low pass filter.

The principle of super regenerative receiver is based on the theory of quenching, where a quench oscillator causes repeated build up and decay of oscillations and the oscillations are maximum at the zero crossing where the quench signal goes towards the positive half cycle.

The super regenerative detector stage operates simultaneously at three frequencies: the radio frequency of interest, the super sonic quench frequency, and the the audio or baseband frequency.

The super-regenerative detector constitutes a sampled-data system; that is, each quench period samples and amplifies the RF signal.

These were popular in the early days of RC model airplanes because of low parts count, low weight and low power consumption.

In modern times they have found applications in short range sensor and radio control, such as garage door opener receivers and wireless key less locks.

The next step up is the synchronous super regenerative receiver. In this application the quench frequency is much lower and a PLL is required.

But it still has the advantage of low parts count and low power consumption and of course good sensitivity.

catman 10-26-2014 06:12 PM

G'day mate, interesting on the 'super' regenerative circuit. Apparently the operation is a lot more complex than first imagined.

I think that I'll stick to the basic regenerative circuit as it gives me plenty of squeals and assorted noises to 'enjoy'. Hi. Regards, Felix (vk4fuq) aka catman.

JBL GUY 10-26-2014 06:53 PM

A regenerative receiver can be more interactive (fun) to use.

Sorry that I drifted a ways off topic.

I'm glad you are enjoying yours.

catman 10-26-2014 07:02 PM

G'day mate, I'm going to try to make the assembly a bit more decent looking and 'neater' today. I was going to 'box it', but the idea of a bread-boarded assembly is somewhat appealing! Regards, Felix (vk4fuq) aka catman.

old_coot88 10-26-2014 08:42 PM

Brits and Euros use the term "reaction" for regeneration (wunner what they use for super-regeneration):smoke:
Here's an early Philips 'reaction' set..
http://www.tuberadio.com/robinson/museum/Philips_930A/


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