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Magnavox300 04-22-2015 08:40 PM

Horizontal Sweep Adjustment?
 
The horizontal went out of sync on my 1960 Emerson console,
I got a new Hor.Output tube, and now after the set warms up, it straightens out, but takes about ten minutes...

There is a Horizontal sweep adjustment on my schematic, which I never attempted before:

it says to connect a clip lead across the Horizontal Stabilizer Coil...

What does that mean? Do I use a wire with two alligator clips? Across what parts of the coil?
Thanks for any help!

Notimetolooz 04-22-2015 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnavox300 (Post 3132130)
The horizontal went out of sync on my 1960 Emerson console,
I got a new Hor.Output tube, and now after the set warms up, it straightens out, but takes about ten minutes...

There is a Horizontal sweep adjustment on my schematic, which I never attempted before:

it says to connect a clip lead across the Horizontal Stabilizer Coil...

What does that mean? Do I use a wire with two alligator clips? Across what parts of the coil?
Thanks for any help!

Yes, a clip lead is a wire with a alligator clip on both ends. I believe the idea is to stop the tv signal sync from effecting the oscillator frequency, then adjusting the free running frequency to the right value. After removing the clip lead the oscillator will easily lock to the signal. Be very careful you will be in a dangerous part of the TV. I don't have a circuit diagram, (model #, chassis # ?) so I can't comment on where on the coil.

Electronic M 04-23-2015 10:42 AM

Why did you replace the output tube for a synch problem? The output tube should be replaced for lack of deflection width. And the OSCILLATOR tube (and horizontal AFC tube or SS diode pack) should substituted or replaced for horizontal synch problems.

DaveWM 04-23-2015 12:38 PM

does the horz hold user adj work?

Magnavox300 04-23-2015 09:48 PM

Sorry, I probably didn't use the correct terms...

What happens is when I turn the set on, the screen has lots of lines, just like if the horizontal hold needs adjusting... after about 15 minutes, they get fewer and fewer then the picture pops in clear...
I replaced the Horizontal tube only because I tested it, and it failed the life test on my tube tester, so I thought that could be the culprit.
The Horizontal Hold adj. doesn't work till the set warms up for those 15 minutes...
Even still, after the picture pops in, the picture is shaky and the images bend to the left and right...

Eric H 04-23-2015 10:35 PM

Probably a slight adjustment of the Horiz stabilizer coil would center the horizontal hold, however you say it's shaky in any case so possibly the horizontal AFC diode is bad, at least I would guess a set of that vintage uses a solid state diode, actually two diodes in one package in most cases.

They are usually a small rectangular plastic component with three legs.
Like these. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-2-ECG-11...item1e9d2e8169

Magnavox300 07-09-2015 06:09 PM

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Probably a slight adjustment of the Horiz stabilizer coil would center the horizontal hold, however you say it's shaky in any case so possibly the horizontal AFC diode is bad, at least I would guess a set of that vintage uses a solid state diode, actually two diodes in one package in most cases.

They are usually a small rectangular plastic component with three legs.
Like these. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-2-ECG-11...item1e9d2e8169

Just getting back to repairing this set...
Are these AFC diodes possible to find? Do I have to find NOS?
The schematic says I can use a: R-2749 or a 2N408.
I included a photo of the diode in the Emerson chassis right now...
Anyone know where I can get one?

wa2ise 07-09-2015 06:59 PM

You may be able to use a DVM in "diode" mode to test the diodes. One way should read around 0.3V, the other way an open circuit.

You could probably use a pair of 1N914 or such small signal diodes as replacements. Nothing special about the pair inside one package.

Magnavox300 07-09-2015 08:03 PM

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You may be able to use a DVM in "diode" mode to test the diodes. One way should read around 0.3V, the other way an open circuit.

You could probably use a pair of 1N914 or such small signal diodes as replacements. Nothing special about the pair inside one package.

Took out the diode...the instructions for my multimeter were all in Chinese, so not sure which setting I should use to test the diode!

Magnavox300 07-09-2015 09:25 PM

Just realized I don't have a "diode mode" on my meter...
So, I guess I should just replace it anyway.
If I get a pair of 1N914 diodes, how do I put them together?
There are 3 leads coming off the original diode... Or should I just look at the schematic and try to figure it out?

old_coot88 07-10-2015 12:07 AM

In all probability it's common-cathode*. Check the schematic to be sure. The banded (cathode) ends of the replacement diodes would go to the middle leg.
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*Rarely seen are common-anode and series type.

Magnavox300 07-10-2015 11:43 AM

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In all probability it's common-cathode*. Check the schematic to be sure. The banded (cathode) ends of the replacement diodes would go to the middle leg.
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*Rarely seen are common-anode and series type.

Yes, it is a common cathode...
I installed these, just got them from Radioshk today.
No improvement, seems a little worse if anything.
I wonder If I bought the right diodes? They say: 1N914 1N4148

zeno 07-10-2015 02:16 PM

A few notes
First either your set is a 1964 or 5 or the diodes have been changed before
they have a date code of 1964 38th week.

Keep in mind for the future these come 3 ways. Common anode,
common cathode, & series. Common cathode is almost
always what is used.

If that dont do it a tube is next. If not a tube probably a cap is
drifting, watch out for the clear silver jobs. The tube should be cheap
compaired to a hoz out.

73 Zeno:smoke:

old_coot88 07-10-2015 06:38 PM

How's the vertical lock, nice and strong like it should be? Or drifty like the horizontal?

Magnavox300 07-11-2015 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by old_coot88 (Post 3138003)
How's the vertical lock, nice and strong like it should be? Or drifty like the horizontal?

Vertical is working fine, like it should...
Since about two weeks ago, the picture will not lock in at all now;

When I first got this set working, even the slightest touch of the long plastic horizontal hold tube in the back would make the picture shake...
but it would be fine once you left it alone.

I put in the 1N4148 diodes, checked alot of resistors, replaced a few, and replaced a few small caps as well... still no difference.
I am wondering if I should just change all the caps in the horizontal circuit?
Maybe overkill, but it's always impossible to test any values accurately while they are in the circuit...


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